Paul Warne

[Reggie Greenwood]

18 minutes ago, Oldben said:

Warnes a relegation specialist, he was relegated twice with Rotherham. We're those Rotherham teams stronger than the current Derby team. The assumption is third time successful but we drew with Portsmouth Fc, so I'd say we are not championship ready.

 

Stay off the Sanatogen 

[tomsdubs]

It's fair to say Warne was never given the budget to compete in the Champ but it is concerning how poorly his style faired in previous attempts. Will we really back him much more outside of potentially wages due to revenue? One big signing so far keeps getting berated by the other players for not tracking backing and losing his head after missing a chance.  Tempting fate here though making assumptions we'll get there.

[Nuwtfly]

The football this season has been tough to watch, even when winning. There's definitely cause for concern when thinking about how we're going to do if we go up. 

But if Paul Warne manages to get us promoted with a squad that has been plagued with injuries all season whilst having next to no money to spend, then he will have more than earned the right to take us into next season.

He'll also have earned the chance to spend some money and mould this squad into what he wants.

Quite what that might, in theory, look like worries me slightly, based on what we've seen this season. But that's just an assumption. Maybe with some money to spend, Warne can overhaul the playing staff and get us playing some nicer stuff? We'll see.

The bigger question will then be: what money has he got to work with? 

The club and ownership will need to back him if he's going to have a decent chance.

[Sufferingfool]

9 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

The football this season has been tough to watch, even when winning. There's definitely cause for concern when thinking about how we're going to do if we go up. 

But if Paul Warne manages to get us promoted with a squad that has been plagued with injuries all season whilst having next to no money to spend, then he will have more than earned the right to take us into next season.

He'll also have earned the chance to spend some money and mould this squad into what he wants.

Quite what that might, in theory, look like worries me slightly, based on what we've seen this season. But that's just an assumption. Maybe with some money to spend, Warne can overhaul the playing staff and get us playing some nicer stuff? We'll see.

The bigger question will then be: what money has he got to work with? 

The club and ownership will need to back him if he's going to have a decent chance.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts. It’s looking like he will do the job he was signed to do. He is no fool and will be aware that this style of play will not cut it in the Championship. Maybe with money to spend on better players he can get us playing a more expansive style, maybe not, hopefully we will be seeing if this is the case next season.

 

[Crewton]

59 minutes ago, Oldben said:

Warnes a relegation specialist, he was relegated twice with Rotherham. We're those Rotherham teams stronger than the current Derby team. The assumption is third time successful but we drew with Portsmouth Fc, so I'd say we are not championship ready.

 

[Oldben]

1 hour ago, CBX1985 said:

The team we have today, maybe.  But we would purchase/sign a higher type of player.  We can't do that in this league as the cost does not justify it - and they probably would say no anyway.

Maybe half the usual team would make the cut with the rest becoming bit-part.  You are assuming we would take no steps ahead of a Championship season; I think that highly unlikely.

 

Just assuming we will not have a decent budget in the Championship compared to many other teams.

The best available players there might look at us and say they've only just been promoted and they might be relegated, there are better championship teams we could play for.

Money counts, will we have that.

Will our budget be significantly more than warne had at Rotherham.

A number of the players we've signed barely got a place on the substitutes bench at the championship teams they came from.

 

[Caerphilly Ram]

18 minutes ago, Oldben said:

Just assuming we will not have a decent budget in the Championship compared to many other teams.

The best available players there might look at us and say they've only just been promoted and they might be relegated, there are better championship teams we could play for.

Money counts, will we have that.

Will our budget be significantly more than warne had at Rotherham.

A number of the players we've signed barely got a place on the substitutes bench at the championship teams they came from.

 

Sometimes a manager comes into a club and doesn’t like a player, or doesn’t play to their strengths, or the player themselves isn’t settled or quite right or ready for that league at that time or isn’t fit etc etc. Just because they didn’t play at their previous clubs doesn’t mean they can’t succeed for us, players progress and develop as much as decline and falter.

Catastrophising our prospects next season before we’ve even got the job done this season always seems odd to me. I recommend living in the moment and enjoying the ride of these last 2 games, then we can get on with worrying about what happens next 😁 

[Gerry Daly]

Totally agree. However there is a fine line between speculating and catastrophising

[G STAR RAM]

2 hours ago, Oldben said:

Warnes a relegation specialist, he was relegated twice with Rotherham. We're those Rotherham teams stronger than the current Derby team. The assumption is third time successful but we drew with Portsmouth Fc, so I'd say we are not championship ready.

 

He has been promoted 3 times so surely he is a promotion specialist?

I assume you think we had to win every game this season to be ready for The Championship judging by your last line then?

[ariotofmyown]

On 13/04/2024 at 23:17, The Key Club King said:

I've been watching Derby for 40 years and every year many people say "it's a really poor league this year". The quality of football does actually improve year on year - watch anything from the 90s and it looks like non-league football. 

Yes, but many people who have been watching Derby for that long regularly experience our "worst ever performance", so no surprise they think the quality is bad!!

[ram59]

Warne's last relegation 'disaster' was with a Rotherham team with one of the lowest incomes in the Championship at the time, living on crowds of around 9,000. Further to this not only was money not given to him to strengthen the team, they actually made a profit on player sales of nearly £2m, which contributed to an overall profit of nearly £3m. This was after a promotion season when they again made a profit on player sales, nearly £1m on that occasion.

Warne hasn't had any financial backing from his club in the past and has been working under restrictions for the last 2 seasons at Derby. On the one hand, you can defend him by saying that he hasn't had any financial backing in the past, but on the other hand you can question his experience in actually spending money on players.

When comparing our spending potential next season, if we were to gain promotion, you need to consider what situation other 'non parachute payment' teams are in. Assuming that most of them have been loss making, they may be under pressure to balance the books, whereas we have a cleanish slate.

 

[Caerphilly Ram]

29 minutes ago, Gerry Daly said:

Totally agree. However there is a fine line between speculating and catastrophising

True, maybe it was an inaccurate word for me to use 🤔 It was just my interpretation of some of the posts I’ve read of late (and most of the season) that seem keen to look beyond finding some joy in this present moment to offer concerns about the future. 

[HorsforthRam]

Warne makes no secret of how he sees the game successfully played in League One. Athletic players that get the ball down the channels and into the box. He said in an interview earlier in the season that it’s much more difficult (he may have said intricate) to create goal chances through the midfield. 
 

He’s also said that most championship sides play the same way (different to L1). If he gets us up, he deserves a chance to have a go at the Championship. He’s an honest bloke and I suspect will give us his thoughts on the style of play he wants to adopt in the championship once we get there and not before. Also, I would have thought the Clowes has had this discussion with him before he gave him the job. 

[jimtastic56]

10 minutes ago, ram59 said:

Warne's last relegation 'disaster' was with a Rotherham team with one of the lowest incomes in the Championship at the time, living on crowds of around 9,000. Further to this not only was money not given to him to strengthen the team, they actually made a profit on player sales of nearly £2m, which contributed to an overall profit of nearly £3m. This was after a promotion season when they again made a profit on player sales, nearly £1m on that occasion.

Warne hasn't had any financial backing from his club in the past and has been working under restrictions for the last 2 seasons at Derby. On the one hand, you can defend him by saying that he hasn't had any financial backing in the past, but on the other hand you can question his experience in actually spending money on players.

When comparing our spending potential next season, if we were to gain promotion, you need to consider what situation other 'non parachute payment' teams are in. Assuming that most of them have been loss making, they may be under pressure to balance the books, whereas we have a cleanish slate.

 

Have we found the reason that David Clowes picked Warne over Rosenior ? To make a profit , running a club . Selling your academy players like Knight and Bird , then bring in freebies . We know we can’t compete with “Parachute Teams” - some getting £55 mill in the first season for getting relegated, but we don’t want to become a yo-yo team .

[Andicis]

I'm sure this is a controversial take, but if we see out the job and secure promotion I think we should give Warne our sincere thanks, a good bonus and a full pay out of his contract and then we should part ways. 

Nothing against him personally, but I don't think the way we play football is sustainable for Derby in the long run, and I'm not sure Warne is the right man to take us any further. 

I'm sure that's not the way it will go, I just have a strong feeling that next year will be rough if we stay the same course.

[r_wilcockson]

28 minutes ago, Andicis said:

I'm sure this is a controversial take, but if we see out the job and secure promotion I think we should give Warne our sincere thanks, a good bonus and a full pay out of his contract and then we should part ways. 

Nothing against him personally, but I don't think the way we play football is sustainable for Derby in the long run, and I'm not sure Warne is the right man to take us any further. 

I'm sure that's not the way it will go, I just have a strong feeling that next year will be rough if we stay the same course.

IF he gets us up, Warne's only goal next season is to keep us in the championship. If that takes playing turgid football, but finishing in mid table that's job done in my eyes. Last thing we need IF we go up, us to be looking relegation in the eyes like Wednesday and Plymouth. 

[Tamworthram]

25 minutes ago, Andicis said:

I'm sure this is a controversial take, but if we see out the job and secure promotion I think we should give Warne our sincere thanks, a good bonus and a full pay out of his contract and then we should part ways. 

Nothing against him personally, but I don't think the way we play football is sustainable for Derby in the long run, and I'm not sure Warne is the right man to take us any further. 

I'm sure that's not the way it will go, I just have a strong feeling that next year will be rough if we stay the same course.

It’s nowhere near the first time this has been suggested and it’s not the first time I, and some others, have said it’s incredibly unlikely to happen. Nor should it. IF we do go up, none of us really know what it will be like next season and PW will deserved the chance to have a crack at it. 

[Nuwtfly]

33 minutes ago, Andicis said:

I'm sure this is a controversial take, but if we see out the job and secure promotion I think we should give Warne our sincere thanks, a good bonus and a full pay out of his contract and then we should part ways. 

Nothing against him personally, but I don't think the way we play football is sustainable for Derby in the long run, and I'm not sure Warne is the right man to take us any further. 

I'm sure that's not the way it will go, I just have a strong feeling that next year will be rough if we stay the same course.

I certainly feel this way sometimes - but could it be that the quality of the football this season has been determined more by:

- the quality of the players available to Warne (loads of injuries, especially to those with better ability)

- His restrictions regarding recruitment

- The reality of the league and the way the opposition force you into playing at times 

I’ve seen us play some horrible hoofball this season but I don’t think we can say for sure that this is all on Warne and, if we go up, he’s going to have earned the right to have a go next season with (hopefully) better players 

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

4 hours ago, Nuwtfly said:

The football this season has been tough to watch, even when winning. There's definitely cause for concern when thinking about how we're going to do if we go up. 

But if Paul Warne manages to get us promoted with a squad that has been plagued with injuries all season whilst having next to no money to spend, then he will have more than earned the right to take us into next season.

He'll also have earned the chance to spend some money and mould this squad into what he wants.

Quite what that might, in theory, look like worries me slightly, based on what we've seen this season. But that's just an assumption. Maybe with some money to spend, Warne can overhaul the playing staff and get us playing some nicer stuff? We'll see.

The bigger question will then be: what money has he got to work with? 

The club and ownership will need to back him if he's going to have a decent chance.

Highest number of points in a season for us,2nd as we stand with the highest goal difference....I'll take pragmatic over "playing nice stuff" to keep on winning....and he seems to know what he's doing,so I'll leave him to it 

 

[Archied]

1 hour ago, Andicis said:

I'm sure this is a controversial take, but if we see out the job and secure promotion I think we should give Warne our sincere thanks, a good bonus and a full pay out of his contract and then we should part ways. 

Nothing against him personally, but I don't think the way we play football is sustainable for Derby in the long run, and I'm not sure Warne is the right man to take us any further. 

I'm sure that's not the way it will go, I just have a strong feeling that next year will be rough if we stay the same course.

Controversial 😂😂😂,, it’s everything that’s wrong with football now🤷🏻‍♂️