Eddie Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, FindernRam said: The really worrying thing about the EFL statement is "No timescales for this matter to be concluded". They can drag it out forever. Death by a thousand cuts. Sorry, the 'n' doesn't always work on my keyboard. OohMartWright, Ram-Alf, LeedsCityRam and 9 others 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 So the EFL have felt the need to come out and address that no decision has been taken and the parties are still in discussions. So begs the question who is the leak. Someone within the EFL going rogue? Mel or Stephen Pearce? Unlikely unless it’s getting it out there to make a lesser punishment more palatable. Rival clubs? - Most likely, getting out there to build the pressure, trial by media convince everyone without releasing facts our crimes are worthy of 9 points to back the EFL into a corner, while destabilising Derby and also give them something to create a stink if the punishment comes back lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Read this the other day and meant to post (apologies if already done so). Nothing new specifically but I found it an interesting read - lots of links at the end too. https://www.sportslawbulletin.org/the-perilous-state-of-efl-club-finances-a-review-of-the-Derby-county-and-sheffield-wednesday-cases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarterForTen Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gaspode said: It's really not worth spending time getting wound up over speculative bull* from media outlets - wait for the club or the EFL to publish something concrete.... Concrete bull*... sounds painful for the bulls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 In my opinion: If it's 6 points we'll stay up If it's 9 points it will be very close If it's 12 points we're relegated Chris_Martin and r_wilcockson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Nookiebear1 said: It was an odd story. To fight it for 2 years nearly to then accept 12 points 9 now and 3 in the bank. Even if we dont accept it and it goes to the commission i cant see it being any more. In fact itll probably be more like 6. Which i could cope with ? perhaps thats the case Derby are putting forward and if they offer 6 we will accept. Obviously all conjecture tho not just that. the club having adopted a unique amortisation policy that they claim gives them no advantage, why do it then? atherstoneram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said: In my opinion: If it's 6 points we'll stay up If it's 9 points it will be very close If it's 12 points we're relegated -22 points with admin added on top and we’ll get the record for worst champ team in history to add to our Prem record. ? DCFC Kicks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, DCFC Kicks said: In my opinion: If it's 6 points we'll stay up If it's 9 points it will be very close If it's 12 points we're relegated The problem with anything more than 6 points is that it makes us favourites for relegation and therefore makes us even less attractive to potential new recruits - which makes us bigger favourites for relegastion, etc, etc..... The EFL seem detemined to drag this out as long as they can - which fits with their 'disappointed' comments when we were given a fine rather than a points deduction - they wanted/want to relegate us to placate Gibson and Wycombe. If they can't do it under the published penalties they will do it by crippling our ability to function and dragging this out as long as they can - it's pathetic and goes completely against their stated aim of protecting clubs, but those are the people we're dealing with.... dabber, DCFC Kicks and Eatonram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich84 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) Please can we just stop speculation about the size of the penalty, it is getting very boring and for those that jump to conclusions based on tweets, Facebook and Red-top rags can you just take a step back and have a long hard look at yourselves, even if eventually we end up with 9 or 12 points, stressing about it in advance doesn't do you any good, commenting about it as fact when the EFL haven't made a press release makes you look foolish at best. The reality is, if it was a clear breach we wouldn't be in discussion, it's disappointing that it is dragging on and restrictions are in place, but let's be honest, what we've seen on the pitch has been ok, the attitude is good, the management are showing signs of improvement and the players are clearly on board with them and generally the quality has been better. Edited September 16, 2021 by Rich84 Spelling Carnero, ariotofmyown, Ram-Alf and 5 others 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetle Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Its not said if teh accoutns will be published or not before the decision is made. You would have thought we could have visibility of them now the EFL have confirmed we met the deadline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rich84 said: Please can we just stop speculation about the size of the penalty, it is getting very boring and for those that jump to conclusions based on tweets, Facebook and Red-top rags can you just take a step back and have a long hard look at yourselves, even if eventually we end up with 9 or 12 points, stressing about it in advance doesn't do you any good, commenting about it as fact when the EFL haven't made a press release makes you look foolish at best. The reality is, if it was a clear breach we wouldn't be in discussion, it's disappointing that it is dragging on and restrictions are in place, but let's be honest, what we've seen on the pitch has been ok, the attitude is good, the management are showing signs of improvement and the players are clearly on board with them and generally the quality has been better. I'm sorry, but no. We are supposed to just sit in silence and pretend none of it is happening? If fans want to discuss it that's up to them. If you aren't interested in reading it that's up to you. Dean (hick) Saunders, atherstoneram, Andicis and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 42 minutes ago, nogbad van 50 said: https://www.efl.com/news/2021/september/efl-statement-Derby-county/ In short, the EFL have no legal case to dock any points and will procrastinate on a decision for as long as possible to give them some sense of a victory. If their 'review' of the accounts goes on until the new year, I would say we have a legal case ourselves against the EFL for preventing us from operating as a business. Outrageous behaviour from this spiteful, callous, vindictive organisation. MackworthRamIsGod, cstand and The Scarlet Pimpernel 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 54 minutes ago, FindernRam said: The really worrying thing about the EFL statement is "No timescales for this matter to be concluded". They can drag it out forever. Let them, it shows them for what they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberram Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Has the length and severity of the embargo been a punishment in itself and equate to some points (deductions). ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 40 minutes ago, ossieram said: So the EFL didn't tell the mail! Why do you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Amberram said: Has the length and severity of the embargo been a punishment in itself and equate to some points (deductions). Absolutely it already has and will continue to do so the longer it goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: Absolutely it already has and will continue to do so the longer it goes on. Possibly done us a few favours as well - those lads who went to ipswich are not doing much currently - we are playing as a team and the supporters are doing just that, supporting the team - we aren’t wasting any money currently either! - just need the manager to get his man United mate to lend us a proper goal scorer in January at no cost - as Kevin Keegan once said - I would just love that! r_wilcockson and Dean (hick) Saunders 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, ThePrisoner said: So nothing confirmed yet at all. The only detail that I hadn't picked up from my quick perusal of regulation 85 is that there is no time-limit for the process which seems a disgrace..... If that's the structure of the rule then you should be innocent and allowed to continue until the process is concluded. It's absurd that the EFL have the right to impose sanctions whilst they allow themselves unfettered time to undertake their reviews. Every step that the club has to go through is time - boxed. Grrrr..... May Contain Nuts, cstand, ramit and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 59 minutes ago, Nookiebear1 said: It was an odd story. To fight it for 2 years nearly to then accept 12 points 9 now and 3 in the bank. Surely the very reason you’d fight it is because you’ve got a problem when you resubmit on the EFl preferred basis atherstoneram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 40 minutes ago, Rich84 said: Please can we just stop speculation about the size of the penalty, it is getting very boring and for those that jump to conclusions based on tweets, Facebook and Red-top rags can you just take a step back and have a long hard look at yourselves, even if eventually we end up with 9 or 12 points, stressing about it in advance doesn't do you any good, commenting about it as fact when the EFL haven't made a press release makes you look foolish at best. The reality is, if it was a clear breach we wouldn't be in discussion, it's disappointing that it is dragging on and restrictions are in place, but let's be honest, what we've seen on the pitch has been ok, the attitude is good, the management are showing signs of improvement and the players are clearly on board with them and generally the quality has been better. Not stressing about it (worse stuff going on in the world) but seems reasonable to discuss/debate on here for those that want to. What’s a forum for? Nookiebear1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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