kevinhectoring Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, 24Charlie said: At least there’s enough uncertainty for someone who’s looking to buy a club to back away. the club announcement re Alonso said ‘definitive documents’ had been signed and were subject only to EFL approval. So it’s quite likely Erik is on the hook and can’t wriggle off. Unlike the position with the Sheikh, where it seems they did not sign ‘definitive documents’. That’s not to say Erik will not try to walk away of course Even if Erik proceeds, any mystery backer who has promised to support him may decide to pull the plug if the ownership rules are reviewed. In which case Erik would run us on a shoestring. ? not one for the optimism thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 minute ago, kevinhectoring said: the club announcement re Alonso said ‘definitive documents’ had been signed and were subject only to EFL approval. So it’s quite likely Erik is on the hook and can’t wriggle off. Unlike the position with the Sheikh, where it seems they did not sign ‘definitive documents’. That’s not to say Erik will not try to walk away of course Even if Erik proceeds, any mystery backer who has promised to support him may decide to pull the plug if the ownership rules are reviewed. In which case Erik would run us on a shoestring. ? not one for the optimism thread For me, if the deals been done, Erik and his backers will be ok as this rule hasn't happened yet. I think this ruling will be for future buyouts. DCFC1388 and Anag Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, 24Charlie said: Looking at reports this morning of a review of football ownership in this country. The thrust seems to be more control for fans with a look at the German model where commercial interests c only own 49% of a club would probably put an end to our takeover. There is a real possibility of fundamental change of how football ownership happens. At least there’s enough uncertainty for someone who’s looking to buy a club to back away. If you don’t own the whole club you don’t get all the profits or even get to decide how it’s spent. He may be able to buy the club but may be forced to give up control in the near future. I think El Derby Co is a dead duck. Hmmm... #GhostOfCloughForPresident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, mwram1973 said: For me, if the deals been done, Erik and his backers will be ok as this rule hasn't happened yet. I think this ruling will be for future buyouts. Ah ok, interesting point. But even that would have a big impact on Erik because it would still reduce the value of the shares he has bought. Because when he comes to sell, he can only give control to the fans. 24Charlie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Just now, kevinhectoring said: Ah ok, interesting point. But even that would have a big impact on Erik because it would still reduce the value of the shares he has bought. Because when he comes to sell, he can only give control to the fans. Personally, I don't think for one minute this rule will ever come to fruition. If you have spent millions/billions on a business would you allow some pen pushers telling you, you have to let the fans own a large percentage of the company in the future?. Just reading some of the things being said on here, would you want these people making decisions in your business? ? Spanish, ck- and kevinhectoring 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, mwram1973 said: Personally, I don't think for one minute this rule will ever come to fruition. If you have spent millions/billions on a business would you allow some pen pushers telling you, you have to let the fans own a large percentage of the company in the future?. Just reading some of the things being said on here, would you want these people making decisions in your business? ? Agree. But if there’s one thing our prime minister does well, it’s ride a populist wave. I doubt it will happen but maybe they’ll end up with a fudge, some sort of fans supervisory board that needs to be consulted on big decisions. we’d need to decide who to vote for as our representatives ! Edited April 23, 2021 by kevinhectoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said: Agree. But if there’s one thing our prime minister does well, it’s ride a populist wave. I doubt it will happen but maybe they’ll end up with a fudge, some sort of fans supervisory board that needs to be consulted on big decisions. we’d need to decide who to vote for as our representatives ! Before they can enforce any sort of fan ownership, they need to find a way to make clubs live wholly within their means. It means salary caps, limits on squad sizes, caps on agent fees, limits on transfer fees and restrictions on debt. In truth, after an initial readjustment, it would be for the good of the game. The problem is it would need to be at least done across all of Europe and would need primary legislation to get around the legal issues. That isn't going to happen any time soon. It also risks players being poached overseas if a billionaire decided to set up a high class league in maybe India or China. IMO, it won't affect our takeover. RadioactiveWaste, kevinhectoring and Red Ram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: It also risks players being poached overseas if a billionaire decided to set up a high class league in maybe India or China. Wasn't this the MO of the Premier League fir years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 JP in the Telegraph: Quote Alonso has delivered proof of funds of more than £70 million to the EFL yet must still pass the owners and directors’ test. Previously linked with a bid to buy Sheffield Wednesday, Alonso recently admitted his ultimate goal is to see Derby competing in the Champions League. Derby4Me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 7 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: JP in the Telegraph: Same vision as me then, minus the 70 million. angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyram59 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Steve McClaren is expected to leave his role as technical director at Derby if the proposed takeover by Erik Alonso is ratified by the EFL. According to the Daily Mail in Skysports paper talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 34 minutes ago, ziggyram59 said: Steve McClaren is expected to leave his role as technical director at Derby if the proposed takeover by Erik Alonso is ratified by the EFL. According to the Daily Mail in Skysports paper talk. I hope they re-advertise his job because I'm bloody amazing at drinking tea, watching football and being ignored. derbydaz22, Ramarena, Comrade 86 and 16 others 3 2 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammingStone66 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, kevinhectoring said: the club announcement re Alonso said ‘definitive documents’ had been signed and were subject only to EFL approval. So it’s quite likely Erik is on the hook and can’t wriggle off. Unlike the position with the Sheikh, where it seems they did not sign ‘definitive documents’. That’s not to say Erik will not try to walk away of course Even if Erik proceeds, any mystery backer who has promised to support him may decide to pull the plug if the ownership rules are reviewed. In which case Erik would run us on a shoestring. ? not one for the optimism thread Good points but saying a shoestring might be optimistic lol. If Erik says he doesn't take family money and it turns out the backers have pulled out, it's hard to see him having enough money to even run the club at all. No one seems to know how much personal wealth this guy has and none of his known business dealings seem to scream "I am super wealthy". And don't we lose like 7 mill a year just running the club normally? Edited April 24, 2021 by RammingStone66 Spelling errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 I’ve been told that calculators are not allowed for the owners test, however you can bring your own abacus and dictionary should you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsene Titman Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 (edited) Derby County in crisis: Doubts over Wayne Rooney, Steve McClaren 'sidelined' and relegation threat looming With only one win in their last 12 matches, Derby are in serious danger and face potentially crucial game against Birmingham on Saturday ByJohn Percy23 April 2021 • 3:48pm Edited April 24, 2021 by GboroRam No copyrighted content - links only please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Chester40 said: I hope they re-advertise his job because I'm bloody amazing at drinking tea, watching football and being ignored. Need to be able to look to the heavens and shake your head too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Abu Derby said: I’ve been told that calculators are not allowed for the owners test, however you can bring your own abacus and dictionary should you wish. The 'fit' part of the fit and proper person test is the bleep test. Our boxing champ should have no worries with that. The harder part is the 'proper'. It's highly subjective depending on who is conducting the test. They might be looking for a proper gent, or a proper lad, both very different tests. They ususally test though to confirm you are a proper tw&t and/or proper shady, where you are waved straight thru. Will be interesting to see which test Erik takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olton Ram Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 23 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Hmmm... #GhostOfCloughForPresident EtoileSportiveDeDerby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsene Titman Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) https://the72.co.uk/232849/Derby-county-takeover-alonso-facing-efl-quiz-with-oktohari-links-now-central-to-investigation/ When you think things can’t get any worse. Not the best weekend Edited April 25, 2021 by Arsene Titman Additional comment Millenniumram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Arsene Titman said: https://the72.co.uk/232849/Derby-county-takeover-alonso-facing-efl-quiz-with-oktohari-links-now-central-to-investigation/ When you think things can’t get any worse. Sounds more bent than a dog's hind leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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