Rich84 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 57 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Why would a Rams podcast give him airtime, unless they plan to pull him apart for his part in all this, arguably some of the stuff he's said verges on libellous, he's made 3 statements on us conforming to P+S that all differ hasn't he? Originally saying we were ducked! Pearl Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rich84 said: Why would a Rams podcast give him airtime, unless they plan to pull him apart for his part in all this, arguably some of the stuff he's said verges on libellous, he's made 3 statements on us conforming to P+S that all differ hasn't he? Originally saying we were ducked! He doesn't seem to be operating in light of the full facts a lot of the time.....or just being selective about what he highlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, rams4ever said: It seems strange to me that the EFL can instruct a club to re-submit accounts which were audited. This suggests that the auditors didn't spot that the accounts didn't comply with accounting regulations. could we sue the auditors for negligence? It appears that the EFL has retrospectively changed their rules on depreciation (because they had’t realised there were different ways to work it out) and have therefore found us in breach of the new rules (that didn’t apply when we originally submitted the accounts and when they signed them off). In any other walk of life, they get laughed out of court but in the football world they’re allowed to make things up as they go along…. i-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Can't be arsed to read all the previous pages but it just looks like it's Rick Parry being pushed by Steve Gibson to find a way to get us relegated. The pair of them properly won't be happy until they throw us out of the league. jimtastic56 and Pearl Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, Ted McMinn Football Genius said: Get that, but we have until 18th August to submit. No matter how many fixture lists they come up with…. The season will have already started can’t see how their alternative fixture lists can be applied once the season has begun. When we submit the new accounts have no bearing on what our current EFL charge is. The £100k fine can be appealed by either party, the EFL will appeal asking for a points deduction, if that is successful and is concluded before the start of the season and they get permission to give it to us retrospectively, that is when we are at risk of being relegated. What I would say is though, how long has it taken to get here? It appears we would be able to appeal that outcome, and how long would that hearing take to be heard? This all has to be done within 6 weeks. Can't see it myself. DCFC1388 and Ted McMinn Football Genius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, rynny said: When we submit the new accounts have no bearing on what our current EFL charge is. The £100k fine can be appealed by either party, the EFL will appeal asking for a points deduction, if that is successful and is concluded before the start of the season and they get permission to give it to us retrospectively, that is when we are at risk of being relegated. What I would say is though, how long has it taken to get here? It appears we would be able to appeal that outcome, and how long would that hearing take to be heard? This all has to be done within 6 weeks. Can't see it myself. You would expect that both parties have been given a deadline by which point any appeal must be submitted. There would then need to be some sort of discussion regarding the fairness of any fine/penalty. Given that this whole process has moved at the speed of an iceberg so far, it’s hard to see how any outcome could be decided before the season has started - particularly if there is any possibility of a subsequent appeal against the next ruling. The most sensible outcome is for the EFL to speak with our potential new owner (if the takeover is close) and agree that both sides will accept the £100k and move on. I therefore predict a protracted legal challenge with the entire 2021/22 FL season being thrown into doubt….. rynny and DCFC1388 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, DCFC1388 said: I would hope the club anticipated having to re-do their accounts a long time ago so will have already done this for at least 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020. Didnt it say in the previous decision we have submitted draft copies of our 19 & 20 accounts Ignoring any possible embargo, it would be advantageous for the club to wait until the last minute before submitting them (if over the limit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, 1of4 said: Can't be arsed to read all the previous pages but it just looks like it's Rick Parry being pushed by Steve Gibson to find a way to get us relegated. The pair of them properly won't be happy until they throw us out of the league. That’s about the size of it. Maybe Mr Gibson should be given a welcome to Pride Park in August that he’ll be a long time forgetting. Now before anybody thinks I’m advocating violence, I’m not, that would be abhorrent, but abuse and vitriol by the truckload I think is well within reason. jimtastic56 and Foreveram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Ignoring any possible embargo, it would be advantageous for the club to wait until the last minute before submitting them (if over the limit) Why is that GOC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joooools Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just so tired of this mess - wish the EFL would just back down and shut up. What do we recon to setting up a fund to just pay off the EFL? You know I'm kidding but, this is exhausting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 5 hours ago, SecretDave said: Surely we have strong grounds to take the EFL to court for victimisation. What they're doing is causing confusion and bad press which affects our ability to sign players or get a takeover bid through. It also upsets our fans. I don't think there is anything in the EFL rules where they can relegate us over a month after the previous season is finished. In my opinion, the EFL are a corrupt organisation that needs putting down a peg or two. It wouldn't surprise me if they start paying officials to make decisions go against us. All of this has totally sucked my enthusiasm for football out of me. If this is lingering on in to the new season, I can't really be bothered with it all any more. Wake me up when all of this rubbish is over! Agree wholly with the first part of your post. However, it makes me want to stand up and be counted in support of my club. Foreveram, hintonsboots, Zag zig and 11 others 8 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyram59 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 It's obvious the EFL have a big Vendetta against Derby all I will say on the issue is I've been a Rams supporter since 1971 seen the glory days and the bad days but if the EFL relegate us and we end up in League 1 next season then that's me finished with football this all stinks of politics between Parry and Gibson. Mel Morris I feel as just destroyed our club. 48 hours and EraniosSocks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alty_Ram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Mistakes have been made no doubt about it but the EFL seem to be obsessed with getting the harshest and most damaging and inconvenient penalty for us and there is seemingly precious little we can do about it. Surely nothing will be sorted ownership-wise while this nonsense is going on so it looks like we are set for a world of pain for the immediate future. I'll just have to comfort myself with a thought of some future date when we bounce back, win the Championship playoffs at Wembley and to an ear-splitting massively public rendition of 'Feck the EFL' by thousands of Rams fans, the Derby skipper, 'Local lad X' receives the EFL trophy and just chucks it on the ground and just walks off to celebrate with the fans. Philmycock and Eatonram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I’m not sure the EFL and Gibson have a big vendetta against Derby County ziggy but I’m certain they have one with Mel Morris which unfortunately means to get him, they have to get the club (and fans) which is not cricket. What have the fans done to aggrieve Gibson and the EFL ? We are not responsible for the books, we didn’t pip Middlesbrough to that 6th place on the last day of a season (that’s why Gibson’s so pissed off with us) but we will be the ones left to pick up the pieces when Morris’s cleared off and sunning himself down at Sandbanks or somewhere more exotic and that’s not cricket either. ?♂️ ziggyram59 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Serious question, if the Efl have produced two sets of fixtures with a contingency that we might be in league one , why have we not been included in the pappa John trophy draw??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taribo Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Presumably they con only do that if the new P&S submissions are in breach of allowable losses? Which they will be as we’ve used the amortisation as a loophole to spend more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eatonram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 If 4000 supporters donate the price of one match ticket £25 we would raise the 100k. I would gladly do it. Think it would say a lot and raise a lot of positive publicity if paid with an open letter to the press stating our disgust at the way the efl are behaving. Any money raised over the target sum to be donated to breast and prostrate cancer research. I would gladly pay. Gap tooth ram, Dimmu, Kinder and 24 others 7 1 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, Eatonram said: If 4000 supporters donate the price of one match ticket £25 we would raise the 100k. I would gladly do it. Think it would say a lot and raise a lot of positive publicity if paid with an open letter to the press stating our disgust at the way the efl are behaving. Any money raised over the target sum to be donated to breast and prostrate cancer research. I would gladly pay. I’m up for that. Topram and Nishfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967RAMS Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I feel really sorry for the Wycombe fans/players/ management ect. Unwitting pawns in the mind games between EFL and Derby. It’s not fair to raise hopes of an immediate return to the championship and how the hell do they plan their transfer window? Guilty or not, this is just totally unacceptable now. Punish us IF we deserve it but no need to bring innocent bystanders into a increasingly petty squabble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EraniosSocks Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Pearl Ram said: I’m up for that. I’m up for that Pearl Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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