Our Queen

[TigerTedd]

2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Roughly what proportion is it out of interest?

I have no statistical data to back up my assumptions. Maybe @angieramis right and the vast majority of people posting the image’s first thoughts are how the queen and the British people have always embraced immigrants, and they’re not just thinking back tk that time they saw the queen have marmalade sandwiches with Paddington. 

many way, I’m really labouring a point now. I like Paddington, and all that he stands for, and I like the queen and all that she stood for. I do hope people give Charles the chance to stand for the same things. I was getting a bit depressed that this is the end of an era, but who knows? She set an example, and laid out a blueprint for how great a monarch can be, maybe Charles has learnt a few things in his 70 years of being her apprentice. 

[G STAR RAM]

28 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

I have no statistical data to back up my assumptions. Maybe @angieramis right and the vast majority of people posting the image’s first thoughts are how the queen and the British people have always embraced immigrants, and they’re not just thinking back tk that time they saw the queen have marmalade sandwiches with Paddington. 

many way, I’m really labouring a point now. I like Paddington, and all that he stands for, and I like the queen and all that she stood for. I do hope people give Charles the chance to stand for the same things. I was getting a bit depressed that this is the end of an era, but who knows? She set an example, and laid out a blueprint for how great a monarch can be, maybe Charles has learnt a few things in his 70 years of being her apprentice. 

Disappointed that Charles has taken up the post when he is already in his 70s.

I think skipping a generation would have breathed new life into the Monarchy. 

Think Charles will prove to be very unpopular, although think he may get a bit of a grace period given the situation.

[Tamworthram]

38 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

I have no statistical data to back up my assumptions. Maybe @angieramis right and the vast majority of people posting the image’s first thoughts are how the queen and the British people have always embraced immigrants, and they’re not just thinking back tk that time they saw the queen have marmalade sandwiches with Paddington. 

many way, I’m really labouring a point now. I like Paddington, and all that he stands for, and I like the queen and all that she stood for. I do hope people give Charles the chance to stand for the same things. I was getting a bit depressed that this is the end of an era, but who knows? She set an example, and laid out a blueprint for how great a monarch can be, maybe Charles has learnt a few things in his 70 years of being her apprentice. 

Am I missing something or isn’t Paddington Bear just a story about a cute bear from a foreign land that likes marmalade? I don’t think he really “stands” for anything or that Michael Bond was trying to make a statement when he wrote the books back in the 1950’s. ?

 

[TigerTedd]

15 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Am I missing something or isn’t Paddington Bear just a story about a cute bear from a foreign land that likes marmalade? I don’t think he really “stands” for anything or that Michael Bond was trying to make a statement when he wrote the books back in the 1950’s. ?

 

You’re probably right. He means a lot to my wife. So in a polling group of one, he stands for something. I didn’t really mean to go down the rabbit hole of over analysing it. 

[Elwood P Dowd]

15 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Disappointed that Charles has taken up the post when he is already in his 70s.

I think skipping a generation would have breathed new life into the Monarchy. 

Think Charles will prove to be very unpopular, although think he may get a bit of a grace period given the situation.

William needs time to devote to his family, Charles will be ok he has Camilla behind him and I think they make a good pairing.

There’s nothing wrong with being in your 70s ???

 

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Elwood P Dowd

[Ram-Alf]

1 hour ago, Elwood P Dowd said:

 

There’s nothing wrong with being in your 70s ???

 

 

Hhhmmm ?

https://www.thefamouspeople.com/died-at-70.php

[G STAR RAM]

1 hour ago, Elwood P Dowd said:

William needs time to devote to his family, Charles will be ok he has Camilla behind him and I think they make a good pairing.

There’s nothing wrong with being in your 70s ???

Yes, fair point.

I just don't see any longevity in his appointment, although I guess if he has the genes of his mother/father/grandmother that may be a very silly statement!

Surely you'd agree that people should be looking to wind down by time they reach their 70s though rather than ramping up their duties?

[GboroRam]

13 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Yes, fair point.

I just don't see any longevity in his appointment, although I guess if he has the genes of his mother/father/grandmother that may be a very silly statement!

Surely you'd agree that people should be looking to wind down by time they reach their 70s though rather than ramping up their duties?

He was born to be King, and has known that all his life. 

Born to be King into an establishment built on tradition and the Divine Right of Kings. No way was he ever stepping aside.

The last one stayed on well into her nineties, so being old isn't exactly a reason to pack it in.

[Elwood P Dowd]

41 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Yes, fair point.

I just don't see any longevity in his appointment, although I guess if he has the genes of his mother/father/grandmother that may be a very silly statement!

Surely you'd agree that people should be looking to wind down by time they reach their 70s though rather than ramping up their duties?

It’s a very difficult issue to comment on as I have not spent 70 years waiting to be King but Charles has always been a busy individual so perhaps he will simply be exchanging on set of duties for another. I think I might have held a different opinion about Charles 10 years ago but its possible the Camilla has moderated some of his views or he is a little more diplomatic when he voices those views, who knows.

I am as busy now as I was when I worked,  the only real difference is now my time is taken up with my many hobbies rather that the work which I had grown to dislike, even though it was well paid and had many benefits.

They do say that if you’re employed in a job you enjoy you never do a day’s work in your life.

It’s really about a change in focus and the mindset that goes with it, Charles probably looks at this change in his life as the fulfilment of his vocation and destiny.

He can’t complain that he wasn’t schooled by the best Monarch in the world or that his training was rushed.?

I do accept that the Queen will be a hard act to follow?

[ilkleyram]

On 10/09/2022 at 22:03, 86 Hair Islands said:

I'm not a fan of the monarchy, nor am I staunchly averse to them. Indifferent, I suppose. That may change now though, as Elizabeth carried that family and all of the pressures that responsibility entailed from the moment she became our monarch, to the day of her death. Some may be surprised to know that amongst my social group, even the staunchest republicans deeply admired her for that, at very least. Politics be damned, her passing is a loss to the nation and the Commonwealth, as in her wake, we are left with a rabble unfit and unready for the job at hand. Her passing is a watershed, make no mistake.

For my part, I absolutely loved the Queen. I really did. I've never felt that such a notion was in conflict with my essentially socialist worldview and I'd have gone to watch a game today, no bother at all. I'd have belted out the Royal Anthem along with pretty much every other fan there, drowning out any attention-seeking morons in the process, maybe waived a Union Jack or two, or chanted Queenie, Queenie, start the bounce'. It would have been a unique occasion and a truly fitting way for the game of the working classes to show their respect in a joyous and positive fashion, devoid of the sackcloth and ashes routine and faux piety some fools favour. Alas, some feel they know us better than ourselves and thanks to these pompous, self-appointed moral compasses, the opportunity is now lost forever. Shame on them.

The Queen is dead. Long live the Queen. 

Though I completely agree with your comments about football matches (perhaps we’ll get some opportunity at Lincoln on Tuesday night if it’s still on. Or maybe on saturday too.) I’m obviously broadly out of kilter with the views of the majority on here but, hey, as many have said in other contexts, what’s the point of a forum if we all have the same views.

I am unashamedly a royalist.  I like the idea of an unelected head of state in the middle of elected politicians with short term pressures (Trump was elected and may yet be elected again; name the politician that hasn’t had their detractors); I like the way in which the last few days have shown how power and position transfers smoothly – no revolution, rioting in the streets, civil disturbance – and quickly; I like their role and what they do and what they represent – everything from the royal patronages of charities, events and small businesses to an honours system that says an official ‘well done’ on behalf of the state, to a symbol of our country, home and abroad.  I like and enjoy the pomp and circumstance.  I’m self-confident enough that I don’t feel any level of inferiority – they are what they are and I’m quite sure that their apparently privileged life brings with it its share of negatives.  I wouldn’t like their life for one – far too exposed; far too boring in the most part; far too regimented.  I’m quite happy to accept that things might be done better and differently, not so happy with the idea of ‘cheaper’ – look where that argument gets us in so many other areas of life.

The Queen’s death is a significant moment in history without doubt, but I don’t think for a minute that she’s handed on to a rabble unfit and unready for the job in hand. She will have expended considerable time and effort making sure that she didn’t.  I suspect that for the next 20 years or so that our new King, who has had a 50 year apprenticeship, will quietly and effectively change the way in which the Royal family operates nationally and internationally, publicly and privately.  Given a chance he will be a modern King maintaining traditions and developing new ones, and he will represent us well.  He might have had an interesting first marriage (I’ve had three and the first two don’t define me any more than his to Diana) but his second looks to be pretty successful; he was an environmentalist way before the word was invented or popular; his Prince’s Trust has done immeasurable good for thousands of people; he’s managed these last few days with a sure hand.  Perhaps experience counts for something overall?

And in 20 or so years time he will handover to his son who will then in turn be in his late 50’s or early 60’s and experienced in life.  The world will continue to turn and the monarchy will continue to change and adapt, just as it has done over the last 70 years. 

The Queen is dead, long live the King. And likely neither of us will be around to say ‘I told you so’, whichever way it goes! 

[Stive Pesley]

1 hour ago, GboroRam said:

He was born to be King, and has known that all his life. 

Born to be King into an establishment built on tradition and the Divine Right of Kings. No way was he ever stepping aside.

The last one stayed on well into her nineties, so being old isn't exactly a reason to pack it in.

Age is no barrier to monarchdom!

Henry VI wasn't even 1 year old when he became king

 

[cstand]

Been to a few well dressings in Derbyshire this year and really enjoyed them will visit this at Harrington. Available to view until 17/09

 

Edited September 13, 2022 by cstand

[Shipley Ram]

Out of order, but life ban?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/13/preston-ban-football-fan-for-life-for-derogatory-tweet-about-the-royal-family

[cstand]

Been for a walk in my local town on the market place where flowers and wreaths have been laid for the Queen there is a security guard to ensure non are stolen or damaged.

The local cemetery is not locked now at night so people are drinking beer and throwing their rubbish in the grounds can’t be bothered to use the bins provided, so flowers and wreaths cannot laid there either. ?

 

 

 

 

 

[Boycie]

Heard someone call the BBC “Mourn Hub” today.

I chuckled.  
 

Don’t cancel me.

[Ram-Alf]

1 hour ago, Boycie said:

Heard someone call the BBC “Mourn Hub” today.

I chuckled.  
 

Don’t cancel me.

Centre Parks are kicking holiday makers out on Monday and those booked in on Monday have to turn up on Tuesday

Centre Parks give in and those already there can stay on the Monday, But still others arrive on Tuesday

Centre Parks tell those that are still there on Monday to stay in their lodges

Centre Parks now tell those that are still there on Monday that they can now leave their lodges and walk about

Centre Parks have bought a brewery, One local laughed and said he couldn't see them running it 

[Eddie]

On 11/09/2022 at 12:23, GboroRam said:

I think of Paddington as English because the author is English, and he never got the American Disney treatment like Pooh did. Just my view though, I fully get what you mean. 

Paddington's as English as marmalade.*

 

 

*A quince paste, originating in Portugal

[Mr. P]

BBC Parliament Channel number: 232 are showing a live stream of The Queen Lying-in-State at Westminster Hall for all you insomniacs out there. 

[ariotofmyown]

Joyce Dawson, 54, from Middlesbrough, was watching the news on Tuesday night when she decided to make her first ever visit to London to see the Queen lying in state.

“I texted my daughter and said: ‘We have to go to London tonight,’” she said. “It was a spur of the moment thing.”

She and her daughter Shelby, 26, took the midnight coach from Middlesbrough to join the queue at 8am on Wednesday.

She was one of tens of thousands who flocked to the capital on Wednesday for the first chance to glimpse the Queen lying in state at Westminster Hall.

“It’s just nice to be a part of this,” Joyce said, while she waited. “It’s exciting. I’m like a little kid.”

[CBRammette]

Went to Sandringham to pay respects yesterday evening and the number of flowers is astounding but this was just too sweet