Simmo’s left foot Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 What do people think? https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2022/07/english-football-comes-together-to-toughen-measures-addressing-fan-behaviour-at-matches Miggins and Comrade 86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Pretty common sense stuff really. The only bit which gave me pause was the part where they’re working with social media platforms to remove videos… so why haven’t they done that for racist abuse? I know nothing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Something needs to be done, so a yes from me. Pyrotechnics have no place in crowds of folk with little opportunity for a short, sharp escape route. Individual pitch invaders are tedious at best, embarrassing by their very nature, and a threat to those trying to carry out their job on the pitch. I would add to that though, that they need to put a stop to ALL pitch invasions. Last day celebrations? Play off wins? Relegation avoidance? Yep, those too! The authorities cannot... and should not... afford to pick and choose who to report, who to punish, and when to turn a blind eye. I'm all for a cracking atmosphere. I'm all for passion. Crikey, I've even been known to be a tad boisterous myself, on the occasional weekend! But we have to draw lines, and we have to stay on the right side of them. But if they're gonna talk the talk, they need to be seen to be walking the walk! I repeat... It's a yes from me. RAM1966, Nishfan, EtoileSportiveDeDerby and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Will they stop the gumps throwing objects at the away fans below? They've not bothered trying for the last 15 years or so. Maybe the prem will be a bit harsher as they will get complaints off the Nick Hornby types? Kathcairns, Crewton, Ellafella and 8 others 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 We simply have to be allowed to be coarse, vulgar and borderline inappropriate. Letting off steam in a controlled environment is better than war and something that is psychologically valuable for many of us. BUT as @Mucker1884says, there are lines that should never be crossed and don’t need to be crossed when all we need is a little uninhibited venting. Fireworks, racism, crude violence / vandalism, allusions to sexual abuse cross those lines. it just needs intelligence and good policing .. and we are part of the policing. For me the most important thing is that the everyday fan has the courage to know their own lines, voice them regularly so that the ugly ones (who will always be there) have to “hide” it’s societal pressure and it works. At the same time we mustn’t become pursed lipped moralists waiting to point a finger at anyone who doesn’t precisely follow edicts and doctrines LeedsCityRam, Ram1988, Carl Sagan and 9 others 7 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 "This includes working with social media platforms to establish new ways of quicker removal of fan-generated videos of illegal behaviour at football matches, including violent offences and pitch invasions." How will this work? It's not illegal to film such incidents, as far as I'm aware, so why should social media platforms remove them? As for the sniffer dogs, who's going to operate them, the clubs or the police? I'm sure there are already laws around the possession and use of illegal substances, maybe the police could try enforcing them every once in a while, rather than looking the other way for an easy life. Carl Sagan and Essex Yellows 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I was subjected to a police dog shoving its nose into my groin when we played Stoke a couple of years ago. I thought it was just being friendly so I reached down to scratch it’s head only to be given a right telling off by the accompanying bolshy policewoman. Perhaps if she’d explained it was a sniffer dog and asked if I minded being searched I might have reacted more favourably…. Essex Yellows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minesahartington Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gaspode said: I was subjected to a police dog shoving its nose into my groin when we played Stoke a couple of years ago. I thought it was just being friendly so I reached down to scratch it’s head only to be given a right telling off by the accompanying bolshy policewoman. Perhaps if she’d explained it was a sniffer dog and asked if I minded being searched I might have reacted more favourably…. You lucky lucky barstard.. 3DRAM and uttoxram75 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 As a fan who doesn't go to matches i can only give a general opinion, which is that i don't support lifetime banning. Exclusion does not allow for a person a chance to improve their behavior and so they probably won't and therefor such a policy is detrimental to society. Throwing people in the bin benefits no one. Carl Sagan, Miggins and Grimbeard 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, minesahartington said: You lucky lucky barstard.. Must admit that I initially thought my luck was in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, Gaspode said: Must admit that I initially thought my luck was in ? You thought it was the policewoman sniffing your groin? Ewetube and Gaspode 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkleyram Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I don’t like blanket bans as a matter of principle - there’s a difference between a lardy plonker running on the pitch against Birmingham giving the away fans the benefit of his ability to count to two and pitch invasions after we won a play off semifinal. And different crimes should receive different penalties. Mind, the chances of the old bill actually prosecuting 10,000 fans on the pitch (or even 1000) is probably pretty remote. Having said that pitch invasions should be discouraged and so too pyros, though I’d love to know how they successfully (and safely) smuggle the latter past security - Gibson’s lot away being a particularly extreme example of the genre. The security company deserve banning never mind the perpetrators. RAM1966 and Essex Yellows 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Simmo’s left foot said: What do people think? https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2022/07/english-football-comes-together-to-toughen-measures-addressing-fan-behaviour-at-matches Hypocrisy. The powers that be won’t take strong measures to rule out swearing by players, aggression, dissent, cheating, all of which have a profound social effect, especially on kids who love the game and on fans. And the reason they won’t take strong measures is that their revenues rely on the ‘passion’. And then they pump this out Of course they should act against criminality. But they should also act against the causes of it RAM1966, Rev, Essex Yellows and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, ilkleyram said: I don’t like blanket bans as a matter of principle - there’s a difference between a lardy plonker running on the pitch against Birmingham giving the away fans the benefit of his ability to count to two and pitch invasions after we won a play off semifinal. And different crimes should receive different penalties. Mind, the chances of the old bill actually prosecuting 10,000 fans on the pitch (or even 1000) is probably pretty remote. Having said that pitch invasions should be discouraged and so too pyros, though I’d love to know how they successfully (and safely) smuggle the latter past security - Gibson’s lot away being a particularly extreme example of the genre. The security company deserve banning never mind the perpetrators. Security, stewards and Police know the games which have higher risk of pyros, they take a decision not to search. Its all too much hassle to actually do summat nowadays. Thats why they make new laws, instead of enforcing current ones, to make them look like they're doing summat. Notts police have known for years that the residents of that stand above the away end will throw things at the fans below them but someone, I presume the match day commander, has taken the decision to allow it. New rules or laws won't stop it, throwing people out and arresting them will. LeedsCityRam, RAM1966, Rev and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollycutts1982 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Wow. A sign of the sad times we live in when you have to outline as rules what should be common sense. It’s about time they did something about drug use at games if you as me. Very much a wider issue in society but needs addressing in one form or another. Nishfan, Mick Brolly, rammieib and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth's left foot Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Holding up signs asking for a players shirt at full time should result in an instant ban too. Mick Brolly, Nishfan, JoetheRam and 15 others 10 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadbelly Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, ramit said: As a fan who doesn't go to matches i can only give a general opinion, which is that i don't support lifetime banning. Exclusion does not allow for a person a chance to improve their behavior and so they probably won't and therefor such a policy is detrimental to society. Throwing people in the bin benefits no one. Do they necessarily mean ‘lifetime’? I agree that would seem overly harsh as an automatic punishment, but a one or two year ban seems perfectly reasonable and allows for reform. I also agree with the comments about the behaviour of footballers. Needs sorting. If rugby players can keep their heads (mostly) and be respectful to all, surely footballers can. Kathcairns and Miggins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) D.C.F.C. Life, Love & Unity. Edited July 25, 2022 by Inverurie Ram cstand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 10 hours ago, jono said: We simply have to be allowed to be coarse, vulgar and borderline inappropriate. Letting off steam in a controlled environment is better than war and something that is psychologically valuable for many of us. BUT as @Mucker1884says, there are lines that should never be crossed and don’t need to be crossed when all we need is a little uninhibited venting. Fireworks, racism, crude violence / vandalism, allusions to sexual abuse cross those lines. it just needs intelligence and good policing .. and we are part of the policing. For me the most important thing is that the everyday fan has the courage to know their own lines, voice them regularly so that the ugly ones (who will always be there) have to “hide” it’s societal pressure and it works. At the same time we mustn’t become pursed lipped moralists waiting to point a finger at anyone who doesn’t precisely follow edicts and doctrines Spot on. Football is a release-valve for many of us. It serves a psychological function. It ties us in to a place, and to a group. It is “tribal”. It gives us identity and belonging in an increasingly de-personalising world. Being at a football match serves a large number needs within us. There is a real danger that “the authorities” will cut the cloth too narrowly and the experience will be reduced. Common sense needs to prevail. interestingly I read a piece the other day by Frank Skinner the tv comedian who now openly admits that his and Baddiel’s scapegoating of Jason Lee was nothing short of bullying and plain wrong. It was 30 years ago but confirmation that values and thresholds of acceptability change. The line though still has to be drawn very carefully and football fans themselves should be consulted carefully where that line exists. jono, Crewton, Miggins and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, ramit said: As a fan who doesn't go to matches i can only give a general opinion, which is that i don't support lifetime banning. Exclusion does not allow for a person a chance to improve their behavior and so they probably won't and therefor such a policy is detrimental to society. Throwing people in the bin benefits no one. Well one of the obvious intentions of a lifetime ban is to deter others rather than improve the behaviour of the offender. Depending on the severity of the crime I certainly do support lifetime bans. It’s not as if they are being locked up for life. They can still get on with the rest of their life but they’re not welcome here. Edited July 26, 2022 by Tamworthram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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