Middlesbrough lodge £45m compensation claim

[Flying Fokker]

This is the most galling part of administration.  Clubs should never sell their ground and the League structure needs to ring fence the asset.  It is for the community.  The ground should be as important as the golden share that the league holds.  

There are a lot of crooks amongst club owners nowadays.

[Stive Pesley]

This is the EFL reaping what they sow

Let's not forget that all the original charges against us were dismissed - but the EFL chose to appeal the result.

At that point, they could have just let it go - moved on, and regardless of what the likes of Boro said - could have just pointed at the hearing outcome and say "it was investigated and they were found not guilty". The matter is closed

But no - everything they have chosen to do since then has led to this position, where they let it drag on far too long and they are in danger of setting precedents that have clubs sueing each other as a result.

As many have pointed out above - once you start pulling that thread, where does it end?

This is all on you EFL

 

 

 

 

[DCFC Kicks]

45 minutes ago, Mr. P said:

Remember when football was decided on the pitch? They were fun times. 

[Chris_Martin]

47 minutes ago, Mr. P said:

Remember when football was decided on the pitch? 

[Deby1966]

If it was Derby’s fault that Boro didn’t get in the playoffs why did Gibson sack Tony Pulis Johnathan Woodgate&now Colin Warnock.

[RadioactiveWaste]

52 minutes ago, Mr. P said:

Remember when football was decided on the pitch? They were fun times. 

Like when motor racing was about who was the best driver and cycling was about who had the best doping program?

Sports reflect life, and life ain't fair.

 

[Mucker1884]

56 minutes ago, Mr. P said:

Remember when football was decided on the pitch? They were fun times. 

 

7 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

[tinman]

The Daily Heil are reporting that Reading are set to be given a 6 point penalty, with  further 6 suspended.

[BucksRam]

I would genuinely hope these would both get laughed out of court - if this forum can present a huge list of counter arguments then I would expect professionals would do so too, and more.  Hopefully the likes of the trust and supporter groups will already be having a word in the shell-likes of the Administrators. That said my confidence in the system is shot to pieces by everything that's happened to date so worryingly anything's possible where the EFL are concerned. 

Gibson and Couhig are no doubt doing what they can to create uncertainty for a buyer, instigate further delays, extend sanctions and reduce any chance of our recruiting, thereby, through submitting completely ridiculous cases, get their goal of seeing us completely destroyed.  I see it as a means to that end by what at face value appears to be two very vindictive and malicious individuals.  

[Ellafella]

1 hour ago, Sparkle said:

So can we sue Reading for the lost 6 points last season due to their massive overspending then ? 
can we sue Birmingham for the points they gained by being over spent then? In that season 

we know QPR completely destroyed the regulations when we lost in the play off final so obviously we can destroy them as well 

there is no point mentioning Aston Villa as they haven’t been charged with anything 

Middlesbrough - What a joke - if they were good enough they would have got more points to lose against leeds 

Maybe we should not have bothered to get a draw in that game at Brighton which allowed Middlesbrough to get automatic promotion a few seasons ago. - on current behaviours you would seriously rest a lot of players to affect other clubs fortunes then again maybe that’s exactly what has been happening?

I know...let's just stop the football and replace it with a competition where all teams compete in a "legal league" with the objective of all Clubs take it in turns to sue. Same points...3 for a "win", etc and play-offs where those reaching the "final" get to Sue at the Old Bailey, the Wembley of "courts" or Lincoln's Inn or wherever.  

[Chris_Martin]

14 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

 

[Ghost of Clough]

When is it Preston's turn to make a claim? We finished 6th in 17/18, Preston 7th . If we had been deducted points in that season for failing the 3 years to 2017 they would have been in the playoffs.

That's now £45m to Boro, £45m to Preston and £6m to Wycombe.

[Yani P]

We are going up say we are going up

[Chris_Martin]

10 minutes ago, Ellafella said:

I know...let's just stop the football and replace it with a competition where all teams compete in a "legal league" with the objective of all Clubs take it in turns to sue. Same points...3 for a "win", etc and play-offs where those reaching the "final" get to Sue at the Old Bailey, the Wembley of "courts" or Lincoln's Inn or wherever.  

would it be a  'no win, no fee' ?

[Chris_Martin]

Just now, Yani P said:

We are going up say we are going up

yes your right, in 2023 we have a good chance of getting promoted

[Chris_Martin]

17 minutes ago, tinman said:

The Daily Heil are reporting that Reading are set to be given a 6 point penalty, with  further 6 suspended.

any other teams as well maybe??

[JfR]

2 hours ago, 24Charlie said:

I for one hope Middlesbrough win. The floodgates will then be open for every team that has ever fallen foul of an FFP breaking team.

We are owed at least two full seasons of PL earnings plus 4 seasons of parachute payments after we lost to QPR and Villa. And that is if we got relegated straight away.

So Boro win £45m and we win a least £200m and probably far more.

 

I am stunned that Gibson thinks this claim has any legs. Talk about opening a can of worms. It’ll just make the EFL look even more farcical, if that’s possible.

Brighton would likely be owed their lost earnings from 2015/16 when Middlesbrough pulled some financial jiggery-pokery to finish in the top two ahead of them. 

[Oldben]

Interesting because with gibsons position at the efl a real court of law, not the efl joke ones, will see definite bias in how Derby has been treated.

That makes it more likely gibsons case would be thrown out on terms of vendetta.

There's now zero reason to wait, the administrators need to sell the club and leave.

 

[Crewton]

TBH, if we weren't in Administration, these claims would go straight in the bin, because they have absolutely no merit in Law or under the EFL's rules. They're akin to asking a Court to determine what, on the balance of probabilities, would have happened to DCFC's results if the club hadn't breached P&S limits : the variables and range of alternative scenarios are utterly non-predictable. Maybe we would have signed cheaper players - a Jamie Vardy or an Ollie Watkins, say, who might have won us even more points than the players we did sign. It's completely hypothetical.

The Administrators, however, have to list it as a Business Risk for any prospective Buyer. It's not even a liability though, and the two clubs aren't creditors until a legal claim is upheld by a Court, so it would only be off-putting to a new Owner if they felt the claims had any chance of succeeding. I doubt whether the EFL will get involved because they've already determined Derby's punishment, and the whole can of worms that would be opened if they supported these claims would kill the competition stone dead.

[Comrade 86]

Dear Mr Gibsonface,

Quantuma Ltd, in their role as officially appointed administrators working on behalf of Derby County Ltd.'s creditors, has received and assessed your claim for £45,000,000.00 to cover the financial damage incurred as a result of your failure to sign Martin 'Waggy' Waghorn. Given Waggy's prolific goal output and after careful consideration of the merit of your claim that his absence effectively deprived Middlesboro FC of a place in the Premiership, we are pleased to confirm that we accept and confirm your claim's validity.

As you are doubtless aware, Derby County Ltd is currently in administration and as such, our claim assessors have structured a compensation package that we feel both accounts for and fully addresses the the financial hardship Middlesboro FC has experienced as a result of Derby County's lack of fiduciary care. It is our stance that this offer is both fair and fitting and wholly in keeping with the validity of your claim.

For full details of our offer, please refer to Appendix A, which fully outlines the aforementioned compensation package. We are pleased to make this offer which whilst not fully meeting the value of your claim, does partially satisfy your personal losses, as well as those of your club and should also bring long overdue closure to both Middlesboro FC and it's vibrant, fair-minded and loyal fanbase.

Yours sincerely.

Andy Hoskins (on behalf of Quantuma Ltd)

Appendix A: Compensation Awarded (see below)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please note, in the unlikely event that you feel our offer does not adequately reflect the value of your claim, may we kindly suggest that you remove your blouse and do one you perma-permed, window-licking meat trumpet.