Middlesbrough lodge £45m compensation claim

[DesertRam]

Without reading this from the start - surely, this is absolute rubbish, can't believe that

any other club has ever paid out compensation under these circumstances

unless anyone knows better - don't we just tell them to legally sling their hook?

[Ted McMinn Football Genius]

As we are in administration surely all of our creditors have been named and listed with the relevant parties. Any further added no mark trying to cash in on us wouldnt have had an outstanding monetary amount owed prior to that date. Therefore (even though it’s a ridiculous effort by the Smoggy Weasel) his claim wouldn’t have any traction as the Derby County boat has sailed (and sunk) ??

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by angieram
Remove personal insults

[24Charlie]

In the interview with the administrator on Rams TV yesterday he said that The Boro and Wycombe claims had been against DCFC but he also said the admins had been talking to the EFL about it.

Not really much to go on but perhaps they are telling the EFL to be wary of clubs making these claims.

If the EFL aren’t concerned about these claims then they should be.

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by 24Charlie

[PistoldPete]

28 minutes ago, 24Charlie said:

In the interview with the administrator on Rams TV yesterday he said that The Boro and Wycombe claims had been against DCFC but he also said the admins had been talking to the EFL about it.

Not really much to go on but perhaps they are telling the EFL to be wary of clubs making these claims.

If the EFL aren’t concerned about these claims then they should be.

 

Clubs can only claim through a process  in accordance with EFL Rules. EFL can change the rules, as it has done on stadia sales and reinterpreted the rule on amortisation.  It is not in the interests of the EFL for clubs to be engaged in litigation against each other, and Derby would have much more valid claims against other clubs. 

[Ted McMinn Football Genius]

1 hour ago, PistoldPete said:

Clubs can only claim through a process  in accordance with EFL Rules. EFL can change the rules, as it has done on stadia sales and reinterpreted the rule on amortisation.  It is not in the interests of the EFL for clubs to be engaged in litigation against each other, and Derby would have much more valid claims against other clubs. 

Chaos would ensue should the old domino effect begin with the whole football pyramid. There appear to be members of the EFL that want to “sit back and watch Rome ?”

 

[Crewton]

I'm not really sure why DCFC never pursued QPR for compensation after the full scale of their FFPO breach was revealed. Both they and Leicester breached FFP rules that season. Leicester beat us home and away and QPR away and obviously at Wembley.

Then there's the case of our dear friends Notts Forest : placed under embargo in December 2015 for breaching FFP financial loss limits in season 2014/15, Forest spent big in the summer of 2014, including circa £6M on Britt Assombalonga who scored the equaliser in their 2-1 victory at PP in January 2015. Derby, if you recall, missed out on promotion by 1 point (we had a superior goal difference to the 3 teams tied above us with 1 point more). 

Let's not even think about Villa and their record-breaking wage bill.

If Middlesbrough and Wycombe fans feel hard done-by, don't come to us looking for sympathy or understanding.

[Eatonram]

Wycombe would have a stronger case suing Boro for our points deduction being delayed, as it was caused by Boro's intervention in the disciplinary process.

Shows what a nonsense the whole thing is.

[BBG83]

Gibson should be taking MM to court for that money. Not a football club. He's attacking the fans.

As far as I am concerned neither Derby County or Middlesbrough should be brought into the conversation in public. Its between two businessmen.

[angieram]

1 hour ago, Crewton said:

I'm not really sure why DCFC never pursued QPR for compensation after the full scale of their FFPO breach was revealed. Both they and Leicester breached FFP rules that season. Leicester beat us home and away and QPR away and obviously at Wembley.

Then there's the case of our dear friends Notts Forest : placed under embargo in December 2015 for breaching FFP financial loss limits in season 2014/15, Forest spent big in the summer of 2014, including circa £6M on Britt Assombalonga who scored the equaliser in their 2-1 victory at PP in January 2015. Derby, if you recall, missed out on promotion by 1 point (we had a superior goal difference to the 3 teams tied above us with 1 point more). 

Let's not even think about Villa and their record-breaking wage bill.

If Middlesbrough and Wycombe fans feel hard done-by, don't come to us looking for sympathy or understanding.

Well, I'm sure, it's because it isn't a done thing.

No matter how we have fallen, the answer doesn't lie in taking legal action against other clubs in this way.

[duncanjwitham]

9 minutes ago, angieram said:

Well, I'm sure, it's because it isn't a done thing.

No matter how we have fallen, the answer doesn't lie in taking legal action against other clubs in this way.

I agree, but if 'Boro proceed and win, I don't see how we have any other choice.  Clubs suing each other over off-field issues would be the new normal.  It's potentially going to have as big an effect on on-field performances as parachute payments are - possibly even worse as it's a double-whammy (one club gaining a load of cash, the other club losing a load).

[TomG]

Just thinking about the scenario if Reading pip Steve Bamford-Gibson's Boro to the final play off spot, will he go after them, seeing as they have had a points deduction with more pending?

[CBRammette]

29 minutes ago, angieram said:

Well, I'm sure, it's because it isn't a done thing.

No matter how we have fallen, the answer doesn't lie in taking legal action against other clubs in this way.

Agree dont see how the league would survive with all of the cases!

[Tamworthram]

6 minutes ago, TomG said:

Just thinking about the scenario if Reading pip Steve Bamford-Gibson's Boro to the final play off spot, will he go after them, seeing as they have had a points deduction with more pending?

Presumably the answer to that would be no as their punishment has been imposed and not delayed until next season. 
 

With regard to more points being deducted, isn’t that punishment “suspended” rather than “pending”? There is a subtle difference.

[Crewton]

1 hour ago, Tamworthram said:

Presumably the answer to that would be no as their punishment has been imposed and not delayed until next season. 
 

With regard to more points being deducted, isn’t that punishment “suspended” rather than “pending”? There is a subtle difference.

His gripe should be exactly the same though - they've still got some of the players that they signed in those seasons where they overspent and they've theoretically (using the same logic he's using against us) got a stronger team than they would have had if they'd not grossly overspent between 2017 - 2020.

I also wonder if his failure to demand compo from Villa could make his claim against us look purely vindictive.

[PistoldPete]

3 hours ago, Crewton said:

I'm not really sure why DCFC never pursued QPR for compensation after the full scale of their FFPO breach was revealed. Both they and Leicester breached FFP rules that season. Leicester beat us home and away and QPR away and obviously at Wembley.

Then there's the case of our dear friends Notts Forest : placed under embargo in December 2015 for breaching FFP financial loss limits in season 2014/15, Forest spent big in the summer of 2014, including circa £6M on Britt Assombalonga who scored the equaliser in their 2-1 victory at PP in January 2015. Derby, if you recall, missed out on promotion by 1 point (we had a superior goal difference to the 3 teams tied above us with 1 point more). 

Let's not even think about Villa and their record-breaking wage bill.

If Middlesbrough and Wycombe fans feel hard done-by, don't come to us looking for sympathy or understanding.

They still could maybe. If it's governed by the EFL Rules, any time limits would be set out  in those rules. If it doesn't say anything about time limits we can still claim after 7 years. 

[jono]

3 hours ago, duncanjwitham said:

I agree, but if 'Boro proceed and win, I don't see how we have any other choice.  Clubs suing each other over off-field issues would be the new normal.  It's potentially going to have as big an effect on on-field performances as parachute payments are - possibly even worse as it's a double-whammy (one club gaining a load of cash, the other club losing a load).

I am sure I read somewhere in the rules that these matters have to go before a panel that is composed primarily  of lawyers.

Whilst I know lawyers love an argument .. I know many more who will laugh at this. My feeling is Mr Gibsons lawyer is justifying his handsome retainer as the clubs advocate. He’s telling Steve what he wants to hear. There is a case ..

What he isn’t saying is: that it is wildly tenuous in law and in any case the EFL can’t let it happen because the consequences for the entire industry would be vast and destabilising. I can’t help feeling that the sensible heads (there must be a few) will be telling Gibbo to let sleeping dogs lie. 
 

Joke 

[I know nuffin]

What about the EFL charging Middlesbrough in with bringing the game in to disrepute and because they cannot give them a 3 match ban say they give them a ,9 point deduction

[Sparkle]

On 17/11/2021 at 14:21, angieram said:

Rams Trust asked the EFL why they were allowing this at their previous meeting and this was their response: 

It is an unfortunate reality that commercial disputes can and do arise, and football is no different. The EFL (in common with the FA and the Premier League) provides that any disputes between Member Clubs must be resolved by arbitration and the terms of the arbitration are as set out in our regulations. This does not mean the EFL is determining the outcome – all we provide is a framework. Arbitrations between Clubs are resolved by independent panels formed from specialist solicitors/barristers with experience in the relevant sector from a list maintained by Sports Resolutions. Each party can present their cases as they see fit and judgments will be issued. Any proceedings will remain private and confidential. It will be for the Administrators to conduct any defence of any claims brought against the Club. The EFL is not able to comment on any particular matter as we are not party to any such proceedings.

Sounds like a cop out to me!

Green light to sue QPR then 

[irobinson]

Lawyers dream - Gibson

 

Rubbing their hands…..

 

[Premier ram]

No Mr Gibson i said crawl back under your stone