StaffsRam Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Done in the style of a prepared Q&A, wonder where that idea came from. Honestly, if it wasn’t so blatant it would be funny… LauraH, Ramarena and Crewton 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 If they could point to the bit in the LAP documentation that said we've cheated that'd be great. In fact, did the LAP documentation not go so far as to say that we they do not consider us to have cheated, simply misinterpreted the rules? Ramarena, RadioactiveWaste, OohMartWright and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) EFL and mfc statements are discrediting Quantuma to a large extent. This directly impacts their reputation and business. Surely Quantuma can sue for defamation or some sort of libel case. Unless of course Quantuma haven’t done a professional job? And they have been exposed? Who knows Edited January 18, 2022 by StrawHillRam Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said: EFL and mfc statements are discrediting Quantuma to a large extent. This directly impacts their reputation and business. Surely Quantuma can sue for defamation or some sort of libel case. I guess that depends. The MFC statement says that they contacted Quantuma in November and got no further response until last week. That might actually be true. It sounds like MFC have essentially said "Let's talk about how much you owe us" to which I'd imagine the response was "we owe you nothing as it stands" and nothing has happened since. Edited January 18, 2022 by JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta TigerTedd, Crewton, RadioactiveWaste and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: If they could point to the bit in the LAP documentation that said we've cheated that'd be great. In fact, did the LAP documentation not go so far as to say that we they do not consider us to have cheated, simply misinterpreted the rules? It's all in DC2. There's pages and pages of it, but this is a good bit: JoetheRam, RandomAccessMemory, RadioactiveWaste and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 He's trying to defend his reputation with his own fans. Hence the excessive use of "Cheating". The_Sheriff, Ramarena, Crewton and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: It's all in DC2. There's pages and pages of it, but this is a good bit: I would be all for Mel and Steven Pearce suing Boro for libel, to be fair. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 surely you can be sued for saying an organisation cheated when there is zero evidence that it did? It also sounds like he is calling out other things that we were cleared of but still calling them cheating !! Indy, Sparkle and Crewton 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Yani P said: surely you can be sued for saying an organisation cheated when there is zero evidence that it did? It also sounds like he is calling out other things that we were cleared of but still calling them cheating !! It is an outrageous accusation, and I reckon that a counter-claim should be submitted for defamation, libel and turning me into a newt. OK, perhaps not that last bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JfR Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 You've got to feel sorry for old Tony Pulis. Only denied a playoff spot (and, obviously, almost inevitable promotion) by us no-good cheats, and he gets given the boot at the end of the season! Gibbo must be ruthless to get rid of someone in that situation, because it can't have been down to results. RadioactiveWaste, Gritstone Tup and TigerTedd 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Rammy03 said: Interesting statement Why does it read like a 10 year old wrote it? Crewton, Ramarena and RadioactiveWaste 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustylee Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Ghost of Clough said: Why does it read like a 10 year old wrote it? It just needs a C- in red ink at the top and could do better written at the bottom. i-Ram, Ramarena, Crewton and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Why does it read like a 10 year old wrote it? Shakespearean prose from a Middlesborogh perspective..... Ramarena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, Gaspode said: Shakespearean prose from a Middlesborogh perspective..... We’ll it’s not in Crayola so my expectations were already exceeded… Ramarena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoWindscreens Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I really am going to make use of the swear filter after reading that pile of ducking tripe, the ducking Bamfords. Ramarena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: I guess that depends. The MFC statement says that they contacted Quantuma in November and got no further response until last week. That might actually be true. It sounds like MFC have essentially said "Let's talk about how much you owe us" to which I'd imagine the response was "we owe you nothing as it stands" and nothing has happened since. It’s like you went away traveling for a couple of months at the end of spring and didn’t get a Gardner to keep you now over growing garden tidy. Next thing you know your neighbor sends you a letter demanding thousands for devaluing their house! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Ram Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I wonder if this statement by Boro might be ill advised in the long run. They seem to make public the grounds for their claim, being DCFC and their directors’ “cheating” under P&S rules. 1. As per the league regulations, isn’t it squarely in the remit of the EFL to determine punishment in the case of P&S infringements? This is to prevent a club being subject to 23 separate claims from clubs once they are suspected of wrongdoing. 2. It’s obvious to everyone that the EFL have already ruled on that P&S infringement. Just look at the league table. 3. In one of the written decisions (can’t be sure which one) it is made really clear by the EFL that the decision means individual clubs have no grounds for a further claim on the basis of missing promotion/getting relegated; and it would be impossible to attribute a value to any such claim. Someone has pointed this out on Twitter- I wish I was savvy enough to find the precise comment and post it here… (help welcome). 4. If Boro believe the directors acted improperly (“cheated”) should that not be a claim against the individual as opposed to the club? 5. Isn’t it widely known that Aston Villa exceeded the P&S limits in the same season? Why haven’t Boro made similar claim against that club? If it’s because Villa are no longer a member of the EFL, doesn’t that point towards the fact that the EFL have a role in settling the matter? At the end of the day, I am not sure if there is any party who can force Boro to retract their claim, regardless of how spurious it might be. Other than perhaps the EFL. But I think we can all expect the EFL to dig heels in- there is no way they will climb down now, as it will be a PR calamity, and effectively an admission that they acted incorrectly in letting it go this far. Crewton and I Am Sheep 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: I guess that depends. The MFC statement says that they contacted Quantuma in November and got no further response until last week. That might actually be true. It sounds like MFC have essentially said "Let's talk about how much you owe us" to which I'd imagine the response was "we owe you nothing as it stands" and nothing has happened since. Yeah, I wondered how likely it was that Q would contact Boro and say, oh btw we're gonna blow you away with the Insolvency laws, bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Rammy03 said: Interesting statement That's just laughable. Glad they've cleared things up.......not. If I've read that right are they saying they want us (the admins/new owner) to agree to something that is not yet determined? I think owd Gibbo is gonna end up in a straight jacket. He's lost the plot. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Ram Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 "The claim is not limited merely to the amortisation issue in respect of which a Disciplinary Panel have already found Derby County to have breached the P&S Rules. Without breaking the confidentiality of the proceedings, in simple terms, MFC allege Derby County and its directors systematically cheated under the P&S Rules and that such cheating affects the integrity of the competition." Erm, thank you for that one, Middlesbrough FC. That makes everything soooooo much clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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