Steve Gibson trying to liquidate Derby

[Comrade 86]

9 minutes ago, Rev said:

He's no Attila the Stockbroker, granted, but sometimes you should appreciate art for art's sake.

I liked it.

At this point I'd like to apologise unreservedly to @tinman It was just meant to be a joke! ?

[uttoxram75]

1 hour ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Worst poem I ever read.

You can't remember @Boycie's masterpiece?

[ColonelBlimp]

20 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

We would have been better fighting the 9 points.  With the -12 another potential 9 wouldn't have put of an investor and we have a far bigger issue now opening the backdoor for Gibson.  

If that's what it takes to save my club, I'll do it.

[Comrade 86]

1 minute ago, ColonelBlimp said:

If that's what it takes to save my club, I'll do it.

Taking one for the team huh!

[jimtastic56]

13 hours ago, Asanovic70 said:

I think there is a lot of self-interest (the likes of Millwall happy to pick up a player for a knock down fee), probably quite a lot of indifference & clubs don't care until it happens to them. So much for the unity of the football family.

The EFL could ask that Middlesbrough & Wycombe drop their claim for the sake of unity in the pyramid system & perhaps setting an unwanted precedent. Both are involved in promotion battles so I cannot see how our 'misdemeanours' have affected them in the long-term. The EFL probably have no real authority to do this, but perhaps a veiled threat that any club involved in a spurious claim against other, could see any possible promotion spot withheld, or savour having to deal with two fixture lists.

Can't see this working but it's like dealing with two naughty children who won't take no for an answer.

We were well happy when we got Byrne at a knock down price with no tears for Wigan.There was our football unity. We are going to have to take our medicine and hope we don’t end up like Luton

[strawhillram]

15 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

We were well happy when we got Byrne at a knock down price with no tears for Wigan.There was our football unity. We are going to have to take our medicine and hope we don’t end up like Luton

Good point. We are being hypocritical when it suits us

[Asanovic70]

43 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

We were well happy when we got Byrne at a knock down price with no tears for Wigan .There was our football unity. We are going to have to take our medicine and hope we don’t end up like Luton

Well, take it then & don't blinking well complain when it happens.

[Asanovic70]

As for Wigan, I thought they were treated badly. A Barnsley fan took me to task online. He complained that Wigan took Kieffer Moore off them. So everybody seems to have a complaint about each other.

That's the world of football, even the elite are sometimes forced to sell & very few clubs are in the privileged position of retaining all their players. In fact, it is players & their agents now who dictate proceedings. Look at the likes of Rudiger at Chelsea, CL holders & one of the wealthiest clubs in Europe, as he holds them to ransom whilst other clubs hover to recruit his services.

[Mick Harford]

Boro and Stoke also getting a mention in this

 

 

[Crewton]

1 hour ago, jimtastic56 said:

We were well happy when we got Byrne at a knock down price with no tears for Wigan.

Did we? I understood that we paid around £750K for him, though the fee was officially "undisclosed".

[Tamworthram]

1 hour ago, StrawHillRam said:

Good point. We are being hypocritical when it suits us

Fair point but, on the other hand, had they played a little more hard ball perhaps we would have increased the fee.

I don’t really see any hypocrisy, it’s just the way negotiations work:

1) Make a cheeky low first bid and get it rejected

2) Selling club (and their fans) make all the usual noises about bids being way too low

3) Increase the offer (rinse and repeat as often as necessary until the buying club get their man or walk away)

If Wigan did indeed accepted a cheeky offer then that probably came as much of a surprise to Derby as anyone. What you don’t do (and I don’t really believe anyone has) is go crying to the EFL if your offer gets rejected.

 

[RadioactiveWaste]

The whole "EFL has decided to make an example of us" thing doesn't seem that far fetched and they're probably still annoyed they "only" got 9 points on us and 12 because of insovancy.

In a world where Mel didn't put the club into administration, who knows.

[Alty_Ram]

Sweet Jesus, I've just read the Boro forum... apparently according to some posters Derby are not on their knees and just need to sell their ground, training facility or some players. We don't own the ground you numpties ! That's the point ! Selling players for the sort of derisory numbers offered so far won't cover the cost of Greggs bakes for lunch !

[TheresOnlyWanChope]

32 minutes ago, Alty_Ram said:

Sweet Jesus, I've just read the Boro forum... apparently according to some posters Derby are not on their knees and just need to sell their ground, training facility or some players. We don't own the ground you numpties ! That's the point ! Selling players for the sort of derisory numbers offered so far won't cover the cost of Greggs bakes for lunch !

I had a look earlier and they’re like the Bristol lot- obsessed with Derby... and think Gibson is the messiah. Crazy really but deluded football fans in a nutshell

[falconram]

EFL now getting backed into a corner, agree covid hit finances we then couner claim, they don't agree teams have to take the points, this is going to get messy, could be the end of the EFL as we know it. 

Gibson you need to go in a corner and have a word with yourself, remember people in glass houses, what goes around comes around

[BucksRam]

28 minutes ago, falconram said:

EFL now getting backed into a corner, agree covid hit finances we then couner claim, they don't agree teams have to take the points, this is going to get messy, could be the end of the EFL as we know it. 

Gibson you need to go in a corner and have a word with yourself, remember people in glass houses, what goes around comes around

I agree - pretty sure a lot of people on here called out ages ago when Mel used COVID as one of the key reasons for loss of revenue, and therefore detrimental impact on our P&S that this would come out down the line for other teams. And here we are.  IF, and it is an IF, the likes of Brizzel and {insert expletive} Boro use COVID as a reason and have it accepted by the EFL then we have every right to appeal against the EFL's very black and white decisions on us, not least refusing us the loan.  Alongside the Boro and WW claims, this could indeed get very very messy for the EFL.  

[Crewton]

There's so many gems in that interview with the Brizzle CEO, but I think my particular favourite is how Covid has destroyed their ability to make millions from selling players, rather than the fact that they're crap and they've got very few players anyone wants.

Well, matey, Covid has put us into Administration and meant that other clubs are trying to sign our best players for peanuts, so pardon me if I don't shed a tear at your predicament.

[Kathcairns]

10 minutes ago, BucksRam said:

I agree - pretty sure a lot of people on here called out ages ago when Mel used COVID as one of the key reasons for loss of revenue, and therefore detrimental impact on our P&S that this would come out down the line for other teams. And here we are.  IF, and it is an IF, the likes of Brizzel and {insert expletive} Boro use COVID as a reason and have it accepted by the EFL then we have every right to appeal against the EFL's very black and white decisions on us, not least refusing us the loan.  Alongside the Boro and WW claims, this could indeed get very very messy for the EFL.  

Can't have one rule for us and another rule for everyone else, this could be very interesting

[tinman]

10 minutes ago, Crewton said:

There's so many gems in that interview with the Brizzle CEO, but I think my particular favourite is how Covid has destroyed their ability to make millions from selling players, rather than the fact that they're crap and they've got very few players anyone wants.

Well, matey, Covid has put us into Administration and meant that other clubs are trying to sign our best players for peanuts, so pardon me if I don't shed a tear at your predicament.

They bought when values were high, and have to sell when values are low.

 

Anyone trading will know that that's the way markets sometimes go.

[vonwright]

17 minutes ago, BucksRam said:

I agree - pretty sure a lot of people on here called out ages ago when Mel used COVID as one of the key reasons for loss of revenue, and therefore detrimental impact on our P&S that this would come out down the line for other teams. And here we are.  IF, and it is an IF, the likes of Brizzel and {insert expletive} Boro use COVID as a reason and have it accepted by the EFL then we have every right to appeal against the EFL's very black and white decisions on us, not least refusing us the loan.  Alongside the Boro and WW claims, this could indeed get very very messy for the EFL.  

To be fair our big P and S breaches were for seasons before COVID. Theoretically if we'd not gone into administration we would have benefitted as much as any other team from some P and S related 'COVID adjustment' for seasons where it hit revenue. 

Of course we did go into administration, and we blamed COVID for that, but so far other teams haven't. (It would definitely get interesting if a few other teams went into administration and blamed COVID.)