cheron85 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 38 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: Sorry but we must have done something wrong or we wouldn’t be under threat of a points deduction. I can only assume that we’ve breached P&S but there are mitigating circumstances which is what we are discussing with the EFL. Assumption followed by assumption - There could be any number of reasons the EFL are questioning it - For starters they apparently don't have internal accountants so maybe they're working with outside consultants who need more time on our books? I would imagine after last time they are unwilling to take our accountants word on whatever has been submitted so they're likely poring over everything with a fine tooth comb which could take ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 hours ago, gccrowdpleaser said: That's the exact same situation we were in anyway. We can't sign free agents unless embargo is lifted over and above our current 23. The text highlighted is entirely irrelevant really. As long as we are in embargo we are at our limit. The 16 is only really relevant to protect to ability of a team to out out an 11 plus 5 subs. If they can't they may be permitted to sign additional players up to the 16 but not beyond. Yeah I realized the logic of that after I'd posted. Didn't make any practical difference unless we'd sold a couple of people yesterday but hadn't been able to replace them before the window closed, but thought we might later on after the dust had settled. gccrowdpleaser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Assumption followed by assumption - There could be any number of reasons the EFL are questioning it - For starters they apparently don't have internal accountants so maybe they're working with outside consultants who need more time on our books? I would imagine after last time they are unwilling to take our accountants word on whatever has been submitted so they're likely poring over everything with a fine tooth comb which could take ages Yep, another assumption i-Ram and BathRam72 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 It's also possible that we haven't breached the P&S limits with the revised accounts (or have failed them by a whisker), but the EFL want to hit us with -3 points deductions for each of the breaches still listed - HMRC debt, non-filing of a/c at Companies House, and non-filing of a/c with the EFL - with the -3 pt suspended deduction for late payment of wages - with the logic of "accept this now, otherwise we'll refer the whole raft of breaches to an IDP and you COULD get more". Until we know some facts, the permutations are endless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, Crewton said: It's also possible that we haven't breached the P&S limits with the revised accounts (or have failed them by a whisker), but the EFL want to hit us with -3 points deductions for each of the breaches still listed - HMRC debt, non-filing of a/c at Companies House, and non-filing of a/c with the EFL - with the -3 pt suspended deduction for late payment of wages - with the logic of "accept this now, otherwise we'll refer the whole raft of breaches to an IDP and you COULD get more". Until we know some facts, the permutations are endless. Or it could be that as with the appeal fine they have sent our 'details' to their lawyers to be looked at to see if they can deal with us in a way that they'd prefer but which we will appeal? We know they weren't happy they had to accept there was no standing for them to re-appeal our £100k, maybe that is what is happening now with our accounts? RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Or it could be that as with the appeal fine they have sent our 'details' to their lawyers to be looked at to see if they can deal with us in a way that they'd prefer but which we will appeal? We know they weren't happy they had to accept there was no standing for them to re-appeal our £100k, maybe that is what is happening now with our accounts? Who knows, it's another possibility. If they don't have faith in their own defined processes to deliver "justice", they really are in a whole mess of trouble of their own. Dean (hick) Saunders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 57 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Assumption followed by assumption - There could be any number of reasons the EFL are questioning it - For starters they apparently don't have internal accountants so maybe they're working with outside consultants who need more time on our books? I would imagine after last time they are unwilling to take our accountants word on whatever has been submitted so they're likely poring over everything with a fine tooth comb which could take ages All we have are assumptions. Owing to the disgusting lack of communication from the football club. Steve Buckley’s Dog, oldtimeram and vonwright 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Or it could be that as with the appeal fine they have sent our 'details' to their lawyers to be looked at to see if they can deal with us in a way that they'd prefer but which we will appeal? We know they weren't happy they had to accept there was no standing for them to re-appeal our £100k, maybe that is what is happening now with our accounts? That does seem plausible, probable even. I think the whole construcive discussions probably never did resolve into an acceptance on either side, and my bet would be DCFC submitted accounts showing no breach and the EFL are now trying to find a way to bring it back as a new charge. Dean (hick) Saunders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: All we have are assumptions. Owing to the disgusting lack of communication from the football club. Isn’t the “disgusting lack of communication from the football club” another assumption that they are at liberty to actually tell us everything we want to know? MaltRam, gfs1ram, Wolfie20 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Isn’t the “disgusting lack of communication from the football club” another assumption that they are at liberty to actually tell us everything we want to know? I certainly feel there's a lot of muddle between what folk want to know, what folk have a right to know, what folk have a reasonable expectation to be told and what for very good reasons has to remain confidential until a certain point. We might all like a blow by blow account of the discussions, but that;s never going to happen. I do whole heartedly agree the club have been very bad at communications, and frankly, the ownership has got us into a very bad set of circumstances which it is going to be hard to communicate in a positive way. A bit more could've been done to reassure fans, certainly. However endless comms to the effect of "we're still working on that, nothing to announce" aren't going to be the solution either. Carnero, Ghost of Clough and Tamworthram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Crewton said: It's also possible that we haven't breached the P&S limits with the revised accounts (or have failed them by a whisker), but the EFL want to hit us with -3 points deductions for each of the breaches still listed - HMRC debt, non-filing of a/c at Companies House, and non-filing of a/c with the EFL - with the -3 pt suspended deduction for late payment of wages - with the logic of "accept this now, otherwise we'll refer the whole raft of breaches to an IDP and you COULD get more". Until we know some facts, the permutations are endless. Dont get to worked up by this Crewton otherwise you might end up in a soup. Dean (hick) Saunders, RadioactiveWaste, Rammeister and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 10 hours ago, Bubbles said: sometimes I can’t help but wish Mel would just accept the 9 point deduction. surely that’d mean the sale of the club would be quicker? NO , NO ,NO 48 hours, Ram-Alf, RadioactiveWaste and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 40 minutes ago, Premier ram said: NO , NO ,NO https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjp0Niv9t3yAhWDg-AKHRzJDYsQwqsBegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTJ5sjFf4w1k&usg=AOvVaw06PnyLPUc_8U1qdPdPB9Q3 kevinhectoring and Ram-Alf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, Charlotte Ram said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjp0Niv9t3yAhWDg-AKHRzJDYsQwqsBegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTJ5sjFf4w1k&usg=AOvVaw06PnyLPUc_8U1qdPdPB9Q3 One of Winstons put downs when in Parliament to a female MP, She said, If I were your Wife, I'd put poison in your tea, Winstons reply, If I were your Husband i'd drink it. Gringo, Steve How Hard? and kevinhectoring 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney1991 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Had this back from nixon so how does this work then if the amortisation. Can’t be changed RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Barney1991 said: Had this back from nixon so how does this work then if the amortisation. Can’t be changed It just shows how ridiculous the EFL stance is - their rules don't state what method to use so we use a perfectly acceptable method and yet they want to bend the laws of the land to fit in with their incompetence..... So come on EFL, change the rules now and make sure any accounts submitted from this point forward use the straight line method - and accept that it's down to your amateurish behaviour that we've been able to gain an advantage.... The Scarlet Pimpernel, Derby4Me, 48 hours and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: Had this back from nixon so how does this work then if the amortisation. Can’t be changed So this reads as resubmitting the accouts to companies house was not a ruling that could be complied with, so there's been an exercise in "Here's what they would've looked like" but that neither constitutes proof we breached allowable losses, nor does it fully comply with what DC2 instructed DCFC to do. That's a bit aukward for both sides, i suppose that explains the need for "discussions" Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: Had this back from nixon so how does this work then if the amortisation. Can’t be changed Very worrying. The battery level, I mean. ramison, Mostyn6, Wolfie and 5 others 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: Had this back from nixon so how does this work then if the amortisation. Can’t be changed The EFL need to stick to something they actually know...like the value of football stadia...Oh wait a minute Carl Sagan and The Scarlet Pimpernel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: So this reads as resubmitting the accouts to companies house was not a ruling that could be complied with, so there's been an exercise in "Here's what they would've looked like" but that neither constitutes proof we breached allowable losses, nor does it fully comply with what DC2 instructed DCFC to do. That's a bit aukward for both sides, i suppose that explains the need for "discussions" Well it made no sense to be asking us to resubmit legal accounts which have been accepted by the crown. - Farce EFL should say that no progress can be made from now on - it’s no wonder they are asking us to accept a points deduction because they can’t legally give us one! RadioactiveWaste, r_wilcockson and The Scarlet Pimpernel 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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