Ellafella Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Pretty sure it's all cited on here buddy but in all honesty, there's been so many different conversations about this now spread across so many threads, I wouldn't know where to start. Based on what I've read, I see literally no precedent for a points deduction and I really do think that at a time where the EFL's stock is at an all-time low, they are simply sabre-rattling to appease a few angry, blowhard owners and directors. If they'd not appealed, the charges levied to EFL member clubs for what was a farcical tribunal would have hung heavily around their necks. Perpetuating the process just seems like a thinly-veiled attempt to retrospectively give the process some credibility. The whole thing is just embarrassing. Absolutely. Just to clarify your excellent summation @86 Hair Islands, "The whole thing is just embarrassing "...to the EFL's level of competence. (my emphasis). They are showing themselves to be nothing short of a torch-holding mob baying for "justice". The Scarlet Pimpernel, NottsRam77 and Comrade 86 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinRam Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 According to reports on twitter the decision is imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure you can't get relegated after the season has finished. I read somewhere that EFL have to notify club before the end of the season. Once the season is done it's done. It's written in history. A possible points penalty will be next season. I think it will just be a fine, if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Percy's tweet that they took the story the EFL had won to Derby ten days ago and were threatened with legal action if they printed it would at least explain why every man and his dog as been acting like the "know" Derby are getting done for this (why the Rotherham manager was so annoyed, all the "things look bad for Derby" comments etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Have to agree with @EllafellaI'm afraid. Whilst I agree that it's all been a rather sorry tale of woe this last few years, no so-called Senior Sports Reporter should be using terms like 'basket-case' to describe us. It lacks class and professionalism and it something I'd expect from the Star, not a supposedly respected broadsheet. Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, Rammy03 said: I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure you can't get relegated after the season has finished. I read somewhere that EFL have to notify club before the end of the season. Once the season is done it's done. It's written in history. A possible points penalty will be next season. I think it will just be a fine, if anything. You are right but I'm not sure whether there are different rules for appeals. If this was a risk then I can't see why Mel would have been standing up clapping the players off the field. tend to think this is just clickbait BS Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I still find it utterly bewildering that: The EFL signs off on the accounts originally Circles back around saying we can't do that, takes us to investigation Independent panel dismisses it EFL appeal, different independent panel says it's naughty (apparently, unconfirmed). Is any of this wrong? LeedsCityRam, Carnero, r_wilcockson and 7 others 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Interesting this journalist is the one they’ve been slagging off on talksport this morning, he has been banned from Newcastle press conferences. r_wilcockson, ariotofmyown, Rammy03 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Assume decision must be made public very quickly now due to how it potentially effects next season for us/Wycombe and any legal challenges they kick off. What a total mess. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Is this follow up tweet not just patently untrue and if it is true how has this passed through a) auditors and b) the EFL itself, both during their initial checks and during the initial hearing? The Scarlet Pimpernel, r_wilcockson, Andicis and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: I still find it utterly bewildering that: The EFL signs off on the accounts originally Circles back around saying we can't do that, takes us to investigation Independent panel dismisses it EFL appeal, different independent panel says it's naughty (apparently, unconfirmed). Is any of this wrong? I think there are quite a few clubs that think the EFL have been too lenient with us. it is not a simple situation of us v EFL RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTom92 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 The EFL are a disgrace. If they’ve given us the green light to do something it’s irrelevant whether it’s sly, cheating or anything else. We made decisions on their say so. They can’t then change the rules and punish us. Best thing they can do is give us a bit of a fine and move on. Of course then Wycombe etc will throw their hat in to the ring and drag it out for another season. Pathetic. Rammy03 and r_wilcockson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Ellafella said: Absolutely. Just to clarify your excellent summation @86 Hair Islands, "The whole thing is just embarrassing "...to the EFL's level of competence. (my emphasis). They are showing themselves to be nothing short of a torch-holding mob baying for "justice". They'd drop the torches mate, then charge Derby with arson for the subsequent fire ? Edited May 10, 2021 by 86 Hair Islands Steve How Hard?, CornwallRam, Ellafella and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Animal is a Ram said: I still find it utterly bewildering that: The EFL signs off on the accounts originally Circles back around saying we can't do that, takes us to investigation Independent panel dismisses it EFL appeal, different independent panel says it's naughty (apparently, unconfirmed). Is any of this wrong? Oh it's wrong, it's scandalous, but not in the way you meant. Also bewildering that: The EFL are allowed to have a rule which basically says "we can rewrite the rules and apply them retrospectively, however we want, whenever we want" but the only way in which they want to use this clause is to try to punish Derby County. The EFL have the right to appeal the original decision, and whatever happens with their appeal is the de-facto outcome. What makes the result of their appeal any more binding than the result of the first hearing, and why aren't we allowed to appeal the outcome of the second hearing? Andicis, LeedsCityRam and The Scarlet Pimpernel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 They won't have the bottle to deduct us points this season. Likely we'll get a fine or worst case deducted points next season. LauraH, kevinhectoring and Rammy03 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, nottingram said: Is this follow up tweet not just patently untrue and if it is true how has this passed through a) auditors and b) the EFL itself, both during their initial checks and during the initial hearing? From the accounts for the year of the stadium sale. Certainly looks like we're accounting for it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jubbs said: What the hell is going on!?!? One normal day of Derby County is all I ask for Come on, this IS a normal day for DCFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, Coconut said: Oh it's wrong, it's scandalous, but not in the way you meant. Also bewildering that: The EFL are allowed to have a rule which basically says "we can rewrite the rules and apply them retrospectively, however we want, whenever we want" but the only way in which they want to use this clause is to try to punish Derby County. The EFL have the right to appeal the original decision, and whatever happens with their appeal is the de-facto outcome. What makes the result of their appeal any more binding than the result of the first hearing, and why aren't we allowed to appeal the outcome of the second hearing? I think it is in the rules that are agreed by all. No reason we can't take this to a higher court though. That would probably end the league structure because it wouldn't be heard for months and months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: I still find it utterly bewildering that: The EFL signs off on the accounts originally Circles back around saying we can't do that, takes us to investigation Independent panel dismisses it EFL appeal, different independent panel says it's naughty (apparently, unconfirmed). Is any of this wrong? Absolutely madness and a joke isn’t it when u read it back like that so if this Panel finds us guilty can we ask for a 3rd and deciding panel .. just to drag it on a bit further and in the interests of fairness or can the efl just keep asking til they get the decision they like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: I still find it utterly bewildering that: The EFL signs off on the accounts originally Circles back around saying we can't do that, takes us to investigation Independent panel dismisses it EFL appeal, different independent panel says it's naughty (apparently, unconfirmed). Is any of this wrong? The EFL is inept but that doesn’t make us right. RadioactiveWaste, LittleEatonRam and Spanish 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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