Ramarena Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 The EFL rule book as it now stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 23 minutes ago, Curtains said: The Wycombe Chairman threatening legal action means they won’t stay up and Derby will stay up. He has been told something I suspect They’ve got a bit of nerve considering they weren’t even in the championship when we we’re supposedly “cheating” stinks of desperation and trying to piggy back on the tabloids Curtains, JustOneBiblicalKazim, Rammy03 and 3 others 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24Charlie Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 22 minutes ago, Curtains said: The Wycombe Chairman threatening legal action means they won’t stay up and Derby will stay up. He has been told something I suspect I suggest The Sun rang him up for quote. Something along the lines of ‘Will you be taking legal action if any points deduction for Derby is not applied this year” He said “er is that a thing” Journo goes “probably’ Owner says “I have the lawyers look at it. Ta for letting me know.” kevinhectoring, ariotofmyown and Reggie Greenwood 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Animal is a Ram said: I still find it utterly bewildering that: The EFL signs off on the accounts originally Circles back around saying we can't do that, takes us to investigation Independent panel dismisses it EFL appeal, different independent panel says it's naughty (apparently, unconfirmed). Is any of this wrong? Absolutely. Smacks of Kangaroo-court style approach ie we’ll screw you eventually so don’t bother trying to prove your innocence jimtastic56, Animal is a Ram and Reggie Greenwood 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24Charlie Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: They’ve got a bit of nerve considering they weren’t even in the championship when we we’re supposedly “cheating” stinks of desperation and trying to piggy back on the tabloids They’ve also spent virtually the entire season in the relegation zone. jimtastic56, Rammy03 and JustOneBiblicalKazim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Over the last few years teams that have gone up QPR Leicester pretty sure didn’t Bournemouth also get fined all went up but were found guilty? All those went up over us so surely we’d argue we missed out due to that r_wilcockson, Rammy03, Will the Ram and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, 24Charlie said: They’ve also spent virtually the entire season in the relegation zone. ...and only finished last season in the play-offs because of the points per game model. Rammy03 and jimtastic56 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Ram Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Topram said: Over the last few years teams that have gone up QPR Leicester pretty sure didn’t Bournemouth also get fined all went up but were found guilty? All those went up over us so surely we’d argue we missed out due to that Wolves overspent too, on their way up. All these teams ended up with a fine. Topram, r_wilcockson and Andrew3000 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Spanish said: here's another thought provoking quote Another figure that looked unusual was that of player amortisation, which if you recall is the price of a transfer fee spread over the contract life. Derby spent £51 million on players in 2016 and 2017 according to the accounts, yet the amortisation charge in 2017 was only £5.1 million. Until 2015, Derby’s accounting policy in respect of transfers was identical to that of all other clubs: I'm not sure you can just do some simple division and say that £5.1m figure is wrong. The vast majority of the big name signings were on 4 year contracts (certainly Johnson, Butterfield, Anya, Vydra, Weimann, Ince were), so at most you'd expect ~£12.5m of amortization with a straight-line method. You've also got to factor players leaving too. I think Ince left in 2017 for a profit, so there would be no amortization recorded for him that year (assuming I'm understanding this right!). It's not like we only did 10% of the values of players, which is what that quote is trying to lead you to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Sorry if I have missed it but what, if anything, is Percy saying about this? Only when he talks of a points deduction will I start to be concerned..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Everybody is forgetting the fact that Sheffield Wednesday had a 12 point deduction which was put on the 20/21 season. Had the EFL decided to put it on the 19/20 season they would have been relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamUltraRam Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Coconut said: ...and only finished last season in the play-offs because of the points per game model. I think before we judge Wycombe and their chairman, he's just been asked a question and said that we'll see what happens. I don't believe he's even said that he'll take legal action and has apparently denied that he's said as much. r_wilcockson, ariotofmyown and Reggie Greenwood 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamUltraRam Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Ultimately, it's the EFL that are at fault here for not having a reasonable and agreed timescale in place to deal with this. Original verdict in our favour was last summer and their appeal wasn't immediate, it took ages. Then the appeal itself , with no further evidence allowed, should have been concluded quickly JustOneBiblicalKazim, Kathcairns and IslandExile 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 hours ago, kevinhectoring said: There’s a breach of accounting standards, possibly a breach of the EFL regs and the companies act, and the EFL most likely suspects the notes to the accounts were intentionally misleading. And you say ‘so what?’ By the way, did the EFL really sign off on the amortisation policy (as you say)? Or did they sign off on the accounting treatment of the stadium sale? I thought it was the latter But we were charged with filling P&S. "Breach of acounting standards", "EFL regs" and misleading the EFL does not equate to failing P&S. I envisage a fine for misleading the EFL and refusing to hand over details of the policy on request. There is absolutely no chance of a points deduction. Curtains and IslandExile 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 We now have the Athletic also jumping on the wagon, so I'd suggest that this is definitely going to happen. We just don't know what and when the punishment will be https://theathletic.com/news/Derby-championship-efl-ffp-appeal/1qTsyqHxZtEa. Are the EFL offices in London manned at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BucksRam Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just when I was starting to relax and look forward to the summer rebuild............ Topram and Rammy03 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzamurray Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 duck the EFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparxTheRam Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, SamUltraRam said: Ultimately, it's the EFL that are at fault here for not having a reasonable and agreed timescale in place to deal with this. Original verdict in our favour was last summer and their appeal wasn't immediate, it took ages. Then the appeal itself , with no further evidence allowed, should have been concluded quickly This is absolutely correct, how on earth can they take 8 months but all of a sudden it's magically sorted the day after we stop up?? It absolutely smacks of EFL wanting to penalise us in the most vindictive way possible. Surely it's not legal to wait until after the season ends to then win thier appeal and decide to relegate us without giving us the opportunity to make those points back? Sheff Wed had the entire season to claw back those six points. Might as well just let the EFL decide which clubs they want to promote or relegate without even playing if that's the case Carnero, Kathcairns and r_wilcockson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, I am Ram said: Wolves overspent too, on their way up. All these teams ended up with a fine. I had forgotten that Wolves broke the spending limits tbh I thought it was just the spirit of the competition they broke when they created a closed market and tied the majority of their spending up in promotion bonuses. It's probably not my fault that I forgot, after all there there hasn't been a continuous, 3 year long red top smear campaign against them & the other clubs for breaking the rules, no public outcry from fellow chairmen or snidey, bitter comments from opposition managers. Edited May 10, 2021 by Coconut I am Ram and Kathcairns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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