Comrade 86 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, SouthStandDan said: If the fans can forgive and cheer Tom Lawrence for being a massive idiot, I'm not sure why Keogh deserves to be universally booed. I can think of 2.3 million reasons but that's just me Ram-Alf, bimmerman, GenBr and 7 others 3 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, nottingram said: May have had some more sympathy for his position until his fabricated woe is me story came out the week 20 people lost their jobs at the football club, no doubt in part because he was insistent on getting his cash that he obviously so badly needed. Indeed. The death of Lawrence's mum was a key factor in the habits he developed and the actions he took. He accepted his punishment as did Bennett (although I don't really have any time for that scrote). It was a valid reason why sacking him may have been unjust. I suppose the people who would have happily seen them all sacked (3 senior players plus two youth players) because it was 'even punishment for all' would also have happily sacked Jake Livermore for developing a drug problem following the death of his young daughter. In Keogh's sob story it just felt like he'd seen this and been told to mention his grandma passing away in order to gain some sympathy. Maybe that's just me being cynical, but that's how it felt when combined with his absolute lack of contrition. Edited December 10, 2021 by Coconut's Beard DCFC1388 and Crewton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBrian Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Tom still had a value to the club Keogh did not with the length of his contract and the nature of his injury, Tom could still play however i would have sold him. How Keogh could have won that claim who knows, if it had happened on the field of play he would have been looked after, for which Derby did offering him a reduction in wage for a self inflicted injury. Russell Hoult goalkeeper was sacked by Derby will not mention what he was accused of, WBA took him on and he also won a England cap so sacking him on principal cost the club a decent transfer fee. Keogh boo him for 90 mins a total disgrace to the club, if you wish to be nasty sing Grandma, however doubt he would register what its about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric the half a ram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I think it would be brilliant if when his name was read out prior to the game and for his every touch there was complete silence from the fans! I think he would feed off either the anger of applause of the home fans, so frosty silence is best and would probably confuse him!! No one likes to be ignored, so ignore him!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, SirBrian said: Russell Hoult goalkeeper was sacked by Derby will not mention what he was accused of, WBA took him on and he also won a England cap so sacking him on principal cost the club a decent transfer fee. Keogh boo him for 90 mins a total disgrace to the club, if you wish to be nasty sing Grandma, however doubt he would register what its about The same as Micheal Dunford ? Edited December 10, 2021 by Unlucky Alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, Eric the half a ram said: I think it would be brilliant if when his name was read out prior to the game and for his every touch there was complete silence from the fans! I think he would feed off either the anger of applause of the home fans, so frosty silence is best and would probably confuse him!! No one likes to be ignored, so ignore him!! ? Ignore who??♂️ CBRammette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Played over 300 games for us I think and was consistently excellent by and large. He didn't commit a criminal offence and was clearly entitled to pursue a claim for unfair dismissal after we retained the services of those who did break the law. It's a hearty clap from me. Mick Brolly, Reggie Greenwood, minesahartington and 7 others 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 If only there was a grassy knoll somewhere in the stands...... Ram-Alf, ziggyram59 and Mucker1884 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Rampant said: He didn't commit a criminal offence and was clearly entitled to pursue a claim for unfair dismissal after we retained the services of those who did break the law. With me being an Ex Union Official I fully agree, Then i'd tell him to move on and start again, But no! he or someone wanted to tell his story...it's this that sticks in many peoples throats Edited December 10, 2021 by Unlucky Alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewe Ram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I really dislike the bloke. Wasn’t that fond of him as a ‘footballer’ but now I really don’t like him. angieram, bcnram, ziggyram59 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 hours ago, SouthStandDan said: If the fans can forgive and cheer Tom Lawrence for being a massive idiot, I'm not sure why Keogh deserves to be universally booed. It's very obvious isn't it? Keogh sued our already financially troubled club for a large amount of money. Why on earth would any Derby fan not boo him for that? Steve How Hard?, SirBrian, DCFC1388 and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 Ram Raider Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Andicis said: It's very obvious isn't it? Keogh sued our already financially troubled club for a large amount of money. Why on earth would any Derby fan not boo him for that? Very good point indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Andicis said: It's very obvious isn't it? Keogh sued our already financially troubled club for a large amount of money. Why on earth would any Derby fan not boo him for that? What would you do in his position? Why would you blame him for being wrongly sacked? The financial troubles aren't Keogh's fault. If you're booing him for the Joiners incident then fine, but he was found wrongly sacked at a tribunal. The club (Mel) should be booed for that. Mick Brolly, jimtastic56, Miggins and 5 others 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, SirBrian said: Tom still had a value to the club Keogh did not with the length of his contract and the nature of his injury, Tom could still play however i would have sold him. How Keogh could have won that claim who knows, if it had happened on the field of play he would have been looked after, for which Derby did offering him a reduction in wage for a self inflicted injury. Russell Hoult goalkeeper was sacked by Derby will not mention what he was accused of, WBA took him on and he also won a England cap so sacking him on principal cost the club a decent transfer fee. Keogh boo him for 90 mins a total disgrace to the club, if you wish to be nasty sing Grandma, however doubt he would register what its about Because he was found by the PRDC not to have been guilty of committing gross misconduct and also not bringing the club into serious disrepute. This judgement was subsequently upheld by the LAC. Miggins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said: What would you do in his position? Why would you blame him for being wrongly sacked? The financial troubles aren't Keogh's fault. If you're booing him for the Joiners incident then fine, but he was found wrongly sacked at a tribunal. The club (Mel) should be booed for that. Don't conflate the issues, Keogh is more than entitled to claim his money. Why would any Derby fan support him for doing that though? He's entitled to do it, I'm entitled to think he's a banker for doing it. Kathcairns, Ewe Ram, Rev and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said: What would you do in his position? Why would you blame him for being wrongly sacked? The financial troubles aren't Keogh's fault. If you're booing him for the Joiners incident then fine, but he was found wrongly sacked at a tribunal. The club (Mel) should be booed for that. Boo him for not wearing a seatbelt - a criminal offence? But anyway it led to him being unable to play for the club paying his wages. Ewe Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Boo him for not wearing a seatbelt - a criminal offence? But anyway it led to him being unable to play for the club paying his wages. Boo him for not wearing a seatbelt, that's fine. But I don't understand why anyone would boo him for being unfairly sacked. I think it's obvious he didn't deserve to be sacked and Mel probably knew this as well. It was a desperate attempt to reduce costs which backfired. Plus we would have got half a season of Keogh playing as he came back from injury early, if Mel hadn't sacked him. People have an idealistic view of footballers "representing" clubs, but in reality it's no different from any other employer/employee situation, and Keogh had a contract which Mel broke. Mick Brolly, atherstoneram and Chris_Martin 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, Andicis said: It's very obvious isn't it? Keogh sued our already financially troubled club for a large amount of money. Why on earth would any Derby fan not boo him for that? Because our poohouse of a former owner enabled him to sue us by not following employment norms and thinking he could act how the hell he liked. If you had been Keogh and had been treated in that manner you would have done exactly the same as he did. Miggins, Tyler Durden, Mick Brolly and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, Andicis said: It's very obvious isn't it? Keogh sued our already financially troubled club for a large amount of money. Why on earth would any Derby fan not boo him for that? He sued the club for monies that were incorrectly withheld from him as he was unfairly sacked. If the club had followed due process then the whole issue wouldn't have arisen at all which is again down to the stewardship at the club. I'm not condoning his behaviour for avoidance of doubt I'm just illustrating that his sacking was dealt by the club in another cowboy manner and was correctly found to be unfair - how on earth you can think you can sack a player for not committing a criminal offence so therefore not gross misconduct but then retain the services of two players who did commit criminal offences is mind bogglingly crass. Mick Brolly, atherstoneram, Miggins and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Jayram said: Because our poohouse of a former owner enabled him to sue us by not following employment norms and thinking he could act how the hell he liked. If you had been Keogh and had been treated in that manner you would have done exactly the same as he did. Yes, I would have done the same as Keogh. That isn't really the point, if I had been in Keogh's situation and had done the same as he had done, I would also accept that most fans would hate me for it. Chester40, Foreveram, Rev and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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