Tyler Durden Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Yeah right. "EFL statement". Says it all. You were asking for a summary of the decision which is what I just provided. Now you won't accept it after I did. I give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewe Ram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: No it wasn't but he still caused injury to a Third party by causing an accident whilst DUI, Injuries serious enough that prevented the Third party from carrying out his employment That’s not the context in which i made the comment. What people do outside of work is nothing to do with work. You can go out and drink yourself unconscious out of work, it’s not a sackable offence. Until it stops you from performing your duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, PistoldPete said: You are sure Derbyshire police would have made it public knowledge despite not charging him? I am sure they wouldn't. Keogh had a big interview with the Guardian in which he claimed (wrongly i Think as photographic evidence shows) that he did not spend the evening with Tom Lawrence. He didn't mention that he was wearing a seatbelt depite many references to him not wearing one. That's what i said,they would have charged him and made it public.No charge so nothing to report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just now, Ewe Ram said: That’s not the context in which i made the comment. What people do outside of work is nothing to do with work. You can go out and drink yourself unconscious out of work, it’s not a sackable offence. Until it stops you from performing your duties. But it's the context which i made it,Lawrence caused his injuries.Keogh went out and got drunk allegedly but his injuries were caused by someone else so in your context he shouldn't have been sacked just because he got drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: You were asking for a summary of the decision which is what I just provided. Now you won't accept it after I did. I give up. I was asking for the account of the proceedings, and reasons and justifications for the findings , as you get with proper employment tribunals. not just the verdict as filtered through an EFL statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondest Goat Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) Neve ceases to amaze me how mean spirited people can be. Edited December 10, 2021 by Blondest Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilGeeWasMyIdol Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 My Dad never forgives him for QPR, when we were on top and right for the PL. I'm not quite so harsh, he had a lot of good in him, and tremendous effort. I don't blame him for suing us, and he won, it tells me we probably treated him badly. That said, I never liked him. He was never my favourite. Always had a mistake in him, as far as I'm concerned. Part of the problem is we haven't had real quality at CB for years. Remember Wright, Stimac, Big Dave, even Coleman and Comyn? He was just the best we've had recently, nothing special. I'm sitting on the fence. Meeting some mates in the Brunswick tomorrow, whose opinion I value. I'll ask do I boo or clap? I'm leaning toward booing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 If it was snog marry avoid I think it would be avoid. Does that help? atherstoneram and Mucker1884 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 52 minutes ago, Crewton said: Lawrence wasn't driving a company car. And regardless of his stupidity was still able to fulfill his contractual obligations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just now, jono said: And regardless of his stupidity was still able to fulfill his contractual obligations. Because of Lawrences stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Blondest Goat said: Neve ceases to amaze me how mean spirited people can be. Hang on .. read the posts .. there are a lot of people saying, in essence, what a pity/if only. Apart from the odd one I see “people” balancing the discussion looking at a big picture, seeing rights and wrongs .. and reaching a conclusion. I don’t think that is mean spirited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Blondest Goat said: Neve ceases to amaze me how mean spirited people can be. £2.3m makes him feel better though. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: Because of Lawrences stupidity Keogh couldn't put his own seatbelt on? jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: £2.3m makes him feel better though. ? It would me as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: Keogh couldn't put his own seatbelt on? Who said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: Because of Lawrences stupidity Sorry don’t see your point. They all behaved abominably .. Lawrence was still able to come to work and do the job he was paid for. Keogh wasn’t .. and Keogh was the club captain, a mature man and should have known better. They all had the money, the resources, the opportunity to not do what they did. PhilGeeWasMyIdol, Carnero, Steve How Hard? and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewe Ram Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: But it's the context which i made it,Lawrence caused his injuries.Keogh went out and got drunk allegedly but his injuries were caused by someone else so in your context he shouldn't have been sacked just because he got drunk. But by his actions (getting in the back of the car with a drunk driver not wearing a seat belt) he sustained injuries which led to him being unable to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Couldnt stand the bloke in a Derby shirt, everything he has done since that night at Joiners has made me dislike him even more. Compare him to a real leader like Curtis Davies, they're not even in the same league. Hope he gets as much abuse as possible tomorrow. Andicis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Coconut's Beard said: Accept a lower wage while I was out of action because of my own lack of care for my own physical condition. Be thankful that my employer didn't take a far harsher route in dealing with me. Work hard to to regain the trust of the people who'd employed be for many years despite me making high profile mistakes which cost my employer tens of millions. Recognise that while I was unfortunate to only 1 of 5 injured in a completely unavoidable incident, it's tough luck, life isn't fair. Same as most of us, unless we're entitled dheads with an inflated sense of self worth. That's just an easy thing to say. 99% of footballers would do what Keogh did, and I bet 99% of the people on here would do what Keogh did if they were footballers and not Derby fans. Yes Keogh should have been punished but it's literally against the law to punish him as severely as Mel tried to. Boos should be directed at Mel if anywhere. Jayram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Didn't the Police find Keogh trying to walk home, not strapped into the car wearing his seat belt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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