Carl Sagan Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 7 hours ago, Retro_RAM said: Am I right in thinking that all this transfer embargo rubbish is in place to just frustrate clubs, to stop them appealing and taking it to the courts with the EFL knowing/hoping the length of time appeals take and with an embargo in place most clubs will just bend over and accept the punishment? 7 hours ago, Spanish said: no Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: Thinking about it logically. The EFL must be pretty keen to get this sorted . If they don't and we get another 4 or 5 games down the line and are at sat on 8 -11 points the club will think 9 points and we're down anyway. At that point we tell them to shove it there rear and take it further as 9 or 21 points makes no difference and it could be 3- 6 reduced based on previous cases. This goes on another 10 days and I can see there arse going. There probably desperate for us to win the next one for the first time in years. I don't think they're in the slightest bit interested in getting this resolved quickly, they aren't stupid and know that the longer we drag on under an embargo then the more damaging it is for us and frustrates the possibility of Morris finding a buyer for the club to boot. The EFL can afford to play the long game now without any real detriment to themselves. And we've allowed them to do this to us which is the most disappointing part of the whole episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambam Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) Sounds like a Mexican standoff to me. Edited September 16, 2021 by Rambam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollycutts1982 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 If only we had a local journalist to look at it rationally and investigate what is actually happening. Maybe just maybe the situation we are in may gather some reputable momentum. The problem is the all just want to tow the line. Comrade 86, JG400 and Hector was the best 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 7 hours ago, Rambam said: Sounds like a Mexican standoff to me. The new buyers are a consortium from Mexico? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 57 minutes ago, Spanish said: The new buyers are a consortium from Mexico? I've heard that the consortium are buyers from New Mexico. Head guy is called Heisenberg. Apparently he doesn't mind if the club makes a loss every year. kevinhectoring, archram and RadioactiveWaste 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: I've heard that the consortium are buyers from New Mexico. Head guy is called Heisenberg. Apparently he doesn't mind if the club makes a loss every year. He would be buying a team who are breaking bad. RadioactiveWaste, archram and Boycie 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Tyler Durden said: I don't think they're in the slightest bit interested in getting this resolved quickly, they aren't stupid and know that the longer we drag on under an embargo then the more damaging it is for us and frustrates the possibility of Morris finding a buyer for the club to boot. The EFL can afford to play the long game now without any real detriment to themselves. And we've allowed them to do this to us which is the most disappointing part of the whole episode. If that's the case, it makes little sense in them negotiating with us at all. My feeling is that they want to agree a penalty with us (i) because the outcome of the formal route is uncertain (ii) they thought MM would be keen in order to clear the decks for a sale and (iii) they have other clubs to charge, like Reading, and the Derby case is taking up too much time and resources to allow them to do that. The statement about "no timescale" could easily be posturing to give the impression that they ain't fussed. r_wilcockson, RadioactiveWaste and Tamworthram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 The regulation 85 route is preferred by the EFL on cost grounds I would think, as you don't have to assemble a panel and present your evidence etc The no timescale comment is simply a statement of fact. It does seem a very asymmetric rule which gives lots of rights to the EFL with no obligations. If anything good comes out of all this it may be a rebalancing of that rule and process. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Considering everybody in the press is agreed that it’s going to be a 9 point deduction with another 3 suspended (for what crime nobody can say) I continue to wonder what the supposed ‘negotiations’ are looking like. EFL: 9 points? DCFC: No EFL: 9 points? DCFC: No and so and so forth… How long can that realistically go on for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Rambam said: Sounds like a Mexican standoff to me. Van der MoodHoover, hintonsboots, Ramarena and 10 others 1 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, LazloW said: Considering everybody in the press is agreed that it’s going to be a 9 point deduction with another 3 suspended (for what crime nobody can say) I continue to wonder what the supposed ‘negotiations’ are looking like. EFL: 9 points? DCFC: No EFL: 9 points? DCFC: No and so and so forth… How long can that realistically go on for? Maybe the press are wrong. Maybe, rather than “the press is agreed…..” they are all just getting their speculation from one single source rather than from their own individual sources. I live in hope. RoyMac5 and jono 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 12 hours ago, Rev said: I don't why @Boycie got tagged, but both responses were directed at the American respondent, m'lud. Take him down! Rev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Maybe the press are wrong. Maybe, rather than “the press is agreed…..” they are all just getting their speculation from one single source rather than from their own individual sources. I live in hope. They were last time. Chester40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 50 minutes ago, Crewton said: If that's the case, it makes little sense in them negotiating with us at all. My feeling is that they want to agree a penalty with us (i) because the outcome of the formal route is uncertain (ii) they thought MM would be keen in order to clear the decks for a sale and (iii) they have other clubs to charge, like Reading, and the Derby case is taking up too much time and resources to allow them to do that. The statement about "no timescale" could easily be posturing to give the impression that they ain't fussed. Or it is designed to stop press speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Maybe the press are wrong. Maybe, rather than “the press is agreed…..” they are all just getting their speculation from one single source rather than from their own individual sources. I live in hope. Maybe we are a pawn in their game,one prints/posts something to see how long it takes before someone else picks up on it, adds a little extra nonsense and claims it's an exclusive and so on etc.etc. Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Rambam said: Sounds like a Mexican standoff to me. But the EFL have a mini gun to our spud gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 35 minutes ago, LazloW said: Considering everybody in the press is agreed that it’s going to be a 9 point deduction with another 3 suspended (for what crime nobody can say) I continue to wonder what the supposed ‘negotiations’ are looking like. EFL: 9 points? DCFC: No EFL: 9 points? DCFC: No and so and so forth… How long can that realistically go on for? For as long as Derby want, it's in our court I would guess. The EFL offer us a points deduction, if we accept we also accept guilt and the EFL celebrate a horrible dirty victory. Mels pride is dented. If we refuse we stay in embargo, any takeover talk diminishes, we are most likely relegated at the end of the season, half our squad leave and we cannot replace. Then we eventually get hit with a points deduction anyway which then sets us on course for league 2. I don't envy Mel will that choice. r_wilcockson and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelBlimp Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 hours ago, CornwallRam said: I've heard that the consortium are buyers from New Mexico. Head guy is called Heisenberg. Apparently he doesn't mind if the club makes a loss every year. It's all this uncertainty, no principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: For as long as Derby want, it's in our court I would guess. The EFL offer us a points deduction, if we accept we also accept guilt and the EFL celebrate a horrible dirty victory. Mels pride is dented. If we refuse we stay in embargo, any takeover talk diminishes, we are most likely relegated at the end of the season, half our squad leave and we cannot replace. Then we eventually get hit with a points deduction anyway which then sets us on course for league 2. I don't envy Mel will that choice. I think that is the crux of the issue, DCFC accepting wrongdoing (which they so far have not ever done in these issues) would be seen as vindication of the EFL/Gibson/everybody who labels us cheats. Might even be DCFC are insisting on wording to the effect of "done nothing wrong but..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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