Tom Lawrence - Joined Rangers

[Wolfie20]

10 minutes ago, Dimmu said:

What a strange comment.... The answer for you question is simple: Because I'm rather behind the club than one spesific player who, when playing, makes us worse. The better question is, why would you rather see us getting less points? For me, that's strange and extremely negative approach.

To state that we're a poorer side when Lawrence plays is absolute drivel.

[Dimmu]

14 hours ago, Wolfie20 said:

To state that we're a poorer side when Lawrence plays is absolute drivel.

Okay, I'll back up my opinion a little bit more.

Last season with him:
24 games  2W 9D 13L, points per game 0.63

Without him:
22 games 9W 2D 11L, points per game  1.32

 

So, about the absolute drivel... I'm not sure which one are worse, Tom Lawrence himself or those who defend him blindly.

[dcfc4ever]

21 hours ago, Dimmu said:

What a strange comment.... The answer for you question is simple: Because I'm rather behind the club than one spesific player who, when playing, makes us worse. The better question is, why would you rather see us getting less points? For me, that's strange and extremely negative approach.

You have never supported Lawrence as a Derby player….he is playing very well in an average team with limited attacking support and you don’t like the fact a lot of the Derby fan base recognise his contribution to this team is very good.Also a lot of us fans like the fact he gives us some actual craft and quality on the ball that others lack.Whilst Lawrence is a Derby County player he has my full support and certainly we are better team with him to watch and enjoy.

Edited December 22, 2021 by GboroRam
Unnecessary

[hintonsboots]

6 hours ago, Dimmu said:

Okay, I'll back up my opinion a little bit more.

Last season with him:
24 games  2W 9D 13L, points per game 0.63

Without him:
22 games 9W 2D 11L, points per game  1.32

 

So, about the absolute drivel... I'm not sure which one are worse, Tom Lawrence himself or those who defend him blindly.

Would be interested to see how the above stats were interpreted in relation to the presence of Krystian Bielik in the team. Any stats experts on here, or have they all gone to where the sun doesn’t shine, North Pole ?

[Eddie]

5 hours ago, hintonsboots said:

Would be interested to see how the above stats were interpreted in relation to the presence of Krystian Bielik in the team. Any stats experts on here, or have they all gone to where the sun doesn’t shine, North Pole ?

Challenge accepted.

I looked at every player who made at least one start in season 2020-21 (I ignored appearances from the bench, but if people are desperately interested, I might take this analysis a stage further and include substitute appearances, look at minutes played etc) with a view to examining how the team performed overall when each player made an appearance.

It's a bit quick and dirty at the moment (it took me a couple of hours to build the data table, but only a few minutes to write a couple of scripts to give me the figures below)

• A grand total of 30 players were in the respective starting lineups.
• We accumulated a staggering total of 44 points from the 46 games.
• The highest number of starts made by a player was made by Clarke (42) followed by Shinnie and Knight (both 41)
• Points per game (Best 6 - minimum qualification, 5 games)
  • Evans 2.000000 (10 points from 5 starts)
  • Gregory 1.666667 (10 points from 6 starts)
  • Bielik 1.615385 (21 points from 13 starts)
  • Holmes 1.285714 (9 points from 7 starts)
  • Jozwiak 1.133333 (34 points from 30 starts)
  • Kazim-Richards 1.103448 (32 points from 29 starts)
• 4 players failed to get either a win or draw bonus - these were
  • Marriott 0 points from 3 starts
  • Whittaker, Baningime and MacDonald, 0 points from a single start
• Points per game (Worst 6 - minimum qualification, 5 games)
  • Roberts 0.142857 (1 point from 7 starts)
  • Rooney 0.444444 (4 points from 9 starts
  • Lawrence 0.526316 (10 points from 19 starts
  • Mengi 0.571429 (4 points from 7 starts)
  • Bird 0.619048 (13 points from 21 starts)
  • Edmundson 0.625000 (5 points from 8 starts
• Shinnie and Clarke were the only two to appear in all 11 wins

[RoyMac5]

8 hours ago, Eddie said:

• Points per game (Worst 6 - minimum qualification, 5 games)
  • Roberts 0.142857 (1 point from 7 starts)
  • Rooney 0.444444 (4 points from 9 starts
  • Lawrence 0.526316 (10 points from 19 starts
  • Mengi 0.571429 (4 points from 7 starts)
  • Bird 0.619048 (13 points from 21 starts)
  • Edmundson 0.625000 (5 points from 8 starts
• Shinnie and Clarke were the only two to appear in all 11 wins

Stats are amusing though. Without Roberts 1 point we'd have been relegated. ?

[Jimbo Ram]

7 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Stats are amusing though. Without Roberts 1 point we'd have been relegated. ?

Can’t we have a few photos to go with it Macca ?

[CBRammette]

10 hours ago, Eddie said:

Challenge accepted.

I looked at every player who made at least one start in season 2020-21 (I ignored appearances from the bench, but if people are desperately interested, I might take this analysis a stage further and include substitute appearances, look at minutes played etc) with a view to examining how the team performed overall when each player made an appearance.

It's a bit quick and dirty at the moment (it took me a couple of hours to build the data table, but only a few minutes to write a couple of scripts to give me the figures below)

• A grand total of 30 players were in the respective starting lineups.
• We accumulated a staggering total of 44 points from the 46 games.
• The highest number of starts made by a player was made by Clarke (42) followed by Shinnie and Knight (both 41)
• Points per game (Best 6 - minimum qualification, 5 games)
  • Evans 2.000000 (10 points from 5 starts)
  • Gregory 1.666667 (10 points from 6 starts)
  • Bielik 1.615385 (21 points from 13 starts)
  • Holmes 1.285714 (9 points from 7 starts)
  • Jozwiak 1.133333 (34 points from 30 starts)
  • Kazim-Richards 1.103448 (32 points from 29 starts)
• 4 players failed to get either a win or draw bonus - these were
  • Marriott 0 points from 3 starts
  • Whittaker, Baningime and MacDonald, 0 points from a single start
• Points per game (Worst 6 - minimum qualification, 5 games)
  • Roberts 0.142857 (1 point from 7 starts)
  • Rooney 0.444444 (4 points from 9 starts
  • Lawrence 0.526316 (10 points from 19 starts
  • Mengi 0.571429 (4 points from 7 starts)
  • Bird 0.619048 (13 points from 21 starts)
  • Edmundson 0.625000 (5 points from 8 starts
• Shinnie and Clarke were the only two to appear in all 11 wins

Are you avoiding your list of pre-christmas jobs?

[Eddie]

2 hours ago, CBRammette said:

Are you avoiding your list of pre-christmas jobs?

Banana and walnut cake cooked and in the freezer.

Stollen cooked and iced.

A dozen pork pies cooked, jellied and frozen.

Savoury mini-naans filled and cooked.

Tortilla chips baked and in the tin.

Taxi service currently under way. I'm in Keynsham at the moment.

My conscience is clear.

[Anag Ram]

54 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Banana and walnut cake cooked and in the freezer.

Stollen cooked and iced.

A dozen pork pies cooked, jellied and frozen.

Savoury mini-naans filled and cooked.

Tortilla chips baked and in the tin.

Taxi service currently under way. I'm in Keynsham at the moment.

My conscience is clear.

Enjoy Keynsham! My mum lives there.

[Wolfie20]

14 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

Enjoy Keynsham! My mum lives there.

Has Horace Batchelor got us down for a draw on Monday?

[Ghost of Clough]

On 22/12/2021 at 12:00, Dimmu said:

Okay, I'll back up my opinion a little bit more.

Last season with him:
24 games  2W 9D 13L, points per game 0.63

Without him:
22 games 9W 2D 11L, points per game  1.32

 

So, about the absolute drivel... I'm not sure which one are worse, Tom Lawrence himself or those who defend him blindly.

So many variables....

Bielik played just once under Cocu.
Lawrence was injured near the start of Rooney's spell as manager (new manager bounce)
Lawrence was injured when Bielik was fully fit (midfield had balance)
Form started to tail off after Bielik was injured AND before Lawrence was fit enough to return.

[CBRammette]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

Banana and walnut cake cooked and in the freezer.

Stollen cooked and iced.

A dozen pork pies cooked, jellied and frozen.

Savoury mini-naans filled and cooked.

Tortilla chips baked and in the tin.

Taxi service currently under way. I'm in Keynsham at the moment.

My conscience is clear.

Wow can we all come round? I am just getting in temper with mince pies

[Anag Ram]

22 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said:

Has Horace Batchelor got us down for a draw on Monday?

It’s all about strictly winner Bill Bailey now. He’s the pin-up boy for Keynsham!

[Carl Sagan]

My guess is that the admins have taken us into January so they can sell Lawrence quickly for a cut price 2 or 3 million up front and get his wages off the books, which will give us cash to keep going and make the club more viable.

If there's a decent bid for anyone else they'll take that too to reduce the debt and make it more likely we can pay off creditors.

[jono]

3 hours ago, Carl Sagan said:

My guess is that the admins have taken us into January so they can sell Lawrence quickly for a cut price 2 or 3 million up front and get his wages off the books, which will give us cash to keep going and make the club more viable.

If there's a decent bid for anyone else they'll take that too to reduce the debt and make it more likely we can pay off creditors.

I know you’re right in principle but if too many of the better players leave doesn’t that then reduce the sale value of the club so the net cash to creditors doesn’t change ?

[Carl Sagan]

11 minutes ago, jono said:

I know you’re right in principle but if too many of the better players leave doesn’t that then reduce the sale value of the club so the net cash to creditors doesn’t change ?

You're right in principle too but I guess it's a balance...

Given the EFL has capped us on 5k a week wages I just think there are only a handful of individuals who would make a major difference. Lawrence, Bielik (but he's not played) and possibly Jozwiak. So I expect the admins would not be doing their job if they weren't actively trying to shift those players out.

Then it depends on cashflow and running costs. Which might mean selling a youngster if it keeps us going for another fortnight until a deal is done. Sadly this is likely the harsh reality, unless the preferred bidder is named and then has the power to stop this should they want to.

[Yani P]

Or this has already been discussed with the remaining interested parties and they have all requested no sales until preferred bidder announced as they would retrospectively cover that cost? Would make the most sense especially as we have a very good chance of staying up.

[Dimmu]

10 hours ago, Carl Sagan said:

My guess is that the admins have taken us into January so they can sell Lawrence quickly for a cut price 2 or 3 million up front and get his wages off the books, which will give us cash to keep going and make the club more viable.

If there's a decent bid for anyone else they'll take that too to reduce the debt and make it more likely we can pay off creditors.

I said the same a quite while back. For me it's just the most likely scenario. Sell anyone with a value and after that we get the new owner. 

[Simmo’s left foot]

Yep, its all about creditors, cash flow and cash in hand now.  

At least we are rocking on the field though ?