duncanjwitham Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Half the problem is that we basically know nothing at all - nobody, the club, the EFL, anyone, is telling us anything. So there's a vacuum that is getting filled with rumours and made-up nonsense. The suggestion doing the rounds last week was that the HMRC debt is just us using one of the COVID deferment schemes, like a bunch of other clubs have. If it's the case that us (and only us) are getting punished for something a load of clubs have done then 'beastly' is absolutely right, but we just don't know because no one is telling us anything. It could be that the other clubs have all cleared their deferred payments months ago, but we are still sitting on ours, we just don't know. The same with the accounts restatement - we know we've submitted something, but we don't know what it was, or why, or even when we submitted it. vonwright, CBRammette, atherstoneram and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Curtains said: No I don’t think they are being flexible at all. The players union would be on to them about that because of stopping players working ! Also stopping the likes of Cashin getting a game in a round about way whiteroseram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: They haven't because they can't. We play by EFL regulations. Yep the PFA were stone silent when we extended Marriott contract only for the EFL to nullify it and he ends up on less money at Peterborough - now that’s not looking after your members SamUltraRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Also stopping the likes of Cashin getting a game in a round about way I think there must be a case and avenue the club could pursue on employment laws with this. . It seems draconian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) So if we have genuinely put in what was asked for this date then doesn’t that mean that we need to have some bits removed from our naughty step list ? possibly moving to a soft embargo? Edited August 25, 2021 by Sparkle Dean (hick) Saunders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Sparkle said: So if we have genuinely put in what was asked for this date then doesn’t that mean that we need to have some bits removed from our naughty step list ? possibly moving to a soft embargo? Unless we've sorted out our HMRC issues the embargo probably isn't going anywhere regardless of what happens with the accounts. Edited August 25, 2021 by JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Just now, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: Unless we've sorted out our HMRC issues the embargo probably isn't going anywhere I remain convinced that there are a sizeable amount of clubs with very similar HMRC issues Dean (hick) Saunders and jono 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 We don't know if other outstanding matters have been brought up to date, payments to Cocu and staff along with Keogh.I would imagine these are being paid monthly as MM wouldn't want to fork out a large lump sum, perhaps that is why the EFL have only allowed the club to offer 6 month contracts or perhaps the players union, who also represent Keogh, have raised concern with the EFL about possible late payments. We will never be privy to that information but It may not be as One sided as some posters are suggesting. kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said: The choice of words in that Sky banner is interesting...assuming it's accurate of course. "Restated" implies we've just amended the amortisation numbers for straight line. "Revised and...." implies we may have made other amendments, perhaps around releasing some further profits from the previous stadium revaluation. If so, this might have been necessary to improve our ffp position and also would likely be the reason for the pre-submission dialogue with the EFL. Who says accountancy cannot be interesting? Such freedom and potential for skulduggery.... ? Not necessarily. Just something different to what we were using previously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, Sparkle said: I remain convinced that there are a sizeable amount of clubs with very similar HMRC issues You may be right but we are the only ones with it listed on the embargo tracker on the EFL site, so until we get it removed we are buggered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: You may be right but we are the only ones with it listed on the embargo tracker on the EFL site, so until we get it removed we are buggered. Maybe but it’s the EFL who put it on there and not the HMRC so maybe they should insist the all clubs report HMRC issues or would that bring football to an end and not just us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Is it on the red button? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Unfortunately I have had to remove recent posts due to a couple of posts being potentially libellous, and the conversation being part of those original posts. This doesn't mean that if your post has been removed that you have posted anything that you shouldn't have. mwram1973 and Carl Sagan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: Not necessarily. Just something different to what we were using previously I think it's a reasonable assumption that we have simply done it the way that the EFL appear to be quasi-mandating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 hours ago, duncanjwitham said: Half the problem is that we basically know nothing at all - nobody, the club, the EFL, anyone, is telling us anything. So there's a vacuum that is getting filled with rumours and made-up nonsense. So what you're politely saying is that some folk on here have the boredom threshold of a hungry toddler and in the absence of of factual data, tend to make up any old poo. Couldn't possibly comment... ? Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, atherstoneram said: We don't know if other outstanding matters have been brought up to date, payments to Cocu and staff along with Keogh.I would imagine these are being paid monthly as MM wouldn't want to fork out a large lump sum, perhaps that is why the EFL have only allowed the club to offer 6 month contracts or perhaps the players union, who also represent Keogh, have raised concern with the EFL about possible late payments. We will never be privy to that information but It may not be as One sided as some posters are suggesting. You could imagine some debate over the Cocu payments, in particular over timing of expensing if paid by instalment. Oh dear, what a complex web Mel weaves still guessing we’ll be out of embargo today. Things really not looking good if we are not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Am i in the Twighlight zone ?, where are all the posts going ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Curtains said: No I don’t think they are being flexible at all. The players union would be on to them about that because of stopping players working ! Why are the EFL stopping players working am totally lost now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, mwram1973 said: Am i in the Twighlight zone ?, where are all the posts going ? Look in the same place CharlotteRams threads go....... Ramarena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 @rynny and @ThePrisoner Mucker1884, mwram1973, Comrade 86 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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