Inverurie Ram Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Love Paul Warne 🖤 🐏 ⚪️ ⚫️ 🐏🖤 Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldben Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Cluld something similar happen to deeby fc. Rotherham fc There are a few key reasons why Paul Warne's Rotherham United teams were relegated from the Championship twice during his tenure as manager: 1. **Limited resources and budget constraints**[1][2]: Rotherham have a bottom-three budget compared to other Championship clubs, making it challenging to recruit and retain top talent. Warne has had to work within tight financial constraints. 2. **Injuries and COVID-19 outbreaks**[1]: Rotherham suffered not one but two COVID-19 outbreaks, leading to a backlog of fixtures. This, combined with injuries, put a strain on the squad's stamina and fitness. 3. **Defensive tactics and pressing style**[1][2]: While Rotherham's high-pressing and defensive tactics have been praised, they struggled to consistently score goals and break down opponents, leading to narrow defeats. 4. **Yo-yo trend of relegation and promotion**[2]: Rotherham have experienced a pattern of relegation and promotion under Warne, making it difficult to build momentum and establish themselves in the Championship. 5. **Lack of luck and "dubious" refereeing decisions**[1]: Warne believes Rotherham's results have not been as kind to them as they could have been, with some questionable refereeing decisions going against them. Despite these challenges, Warne has remained committed to Rotherham and has praised the team's fighting spirit and work ethic. [2]. Citations: [1] https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/unbelievable-rotherham-survival-championship-promotion-24053746 [2] https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/broken-rotherham-united-manager-paul-5392239 [3] https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/the-areas-where-it-went-wrong-for-paul-warnes-relegated-rotherham-united-3233661 [4] https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/the-relegation-season-where-it-all-went-wrong-for-rotherham-united-4584944 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 11 minutes ago, Wolfie said: Given the resources that we’ve had at our disposal I find it weird that Warne is being called out on recruitment. The rate the signings thread seems to think most of the signings have been good or OK, the main issue has been injuries, which were a calculated risk for several of them. Caerphilly Ram and Wolfie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 4 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: How long will you give him if things aren't going well? Longer than you I would imagine. RadioactiveWaste, Wolfie and RoyMac5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Wolfie said: Given the resources that we’ve had at our disposal I find it weird that Warne is being called out on recruitment. The signings of Embleton and TJJ seemed desperate at the time, given their injury record. And neither have proven to be good signings. But then Nelson has been an absolutely fantastic signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimtastic56 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 3 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: The signings of Embleton and TJJ seemed desperate at the time, given their injury record. And neither have proven to be good signings. But then Nelson has been an absolutely fantastic signing. Nelson has been solid in tier 3 but got relegated, last time in the Championship . Showing what a big step up it is . Gayle was the desperation signing - his hamstrings have shot it . We have to get quality in , this Summer to give Warne a fighting chance . NML brings no guarantees in the Champ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 On 24/04/2024 at 13:03, Carl Sagan said: As we approach the Carlisle game, I wonder what Warne will say to the players? I'm reminded of this fantastic pre-match speech to his Rotherham team. This is the best of Paul Warne. Expect we'll see it on Saturday: That team talk seems a bit ropey to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 5 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Nope. But neither are the 'rose-tinted spex' brigade. How long would you have given Clough Jnr? Do you mean the rose tinted spec brigade that have backed a manager that has the club 1 point away from promotion? angieram, Comrade 86, KBB and 5 others 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 15 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said: Nelson has been solid in tier 3 but got relegated, last time in the Championship . Showing what a big step up it is . Gayle was the desperation signing - his hamstrings have shot it . We have to get quality in , this Summer to give Warne a fighting chance . NML brings no guarantees in the Champ . So, from what you're saying there, is that every player who plays for a relegated club, isn't good enough for that division? Nelson only signed for Blackpool in the January window, when they were already in the bottom 3. Ilkestonian, angieram, FlyBritishMidland and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeTownRams Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 28 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said: Nelson has been solid in tier 3 but got relegated, last time in the Championship . Showing what a big step up it is . Gayle was the desperation signing - his hamstrings have shot it . We have to get quality in , this Summer to give Warne a fighting chance . NML brings no guarantees in the Champ . No - Nelson didn’t personally get relegated- his team did. One man cannot save a team. Ewe Ram, Caerphilly Ram, Ilkestonian and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 28 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said: Nelson has been solid in tier 3 but got relegated, last time in the Championship . Showing what a big step up it is . Gayle was the desperation signing - his hamstrings have shot it . We have to get quality in , this Summer to give Warne a fighting chance . NML brings no guarantees in the Champ . That's a bizarre take re Nelson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Wolfie said: Given the resources that we’ve had at our disposal I find it weird that Warne is being called out on recruitment. Our wage budget is 25% higher than our nearest competitor Hinzy9, jimtastic56, Walkley Ram and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 minute ago, sage said: Our wage budget is 25% higher than our nearest competitor Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 18 minutes ago, ossieram said: Do you mean the rose tinted spec brigade that have backed a manager that has the club 1 point away from promotion? Yep. Pink init. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 5 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Nope. But neither are the 'rose-tinted spex' brigade. How long would you have given Clough Jnr? Longer than he got - a lot longer. The way he was sacked by Sam Rush was nothing short of disgusting, and still leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. Clough had basically kept Derby afloat for about 4 years, balancing the books and operating on a shoestring budget (a string which grew shorter each year) thanks to the almost complete absence of any meaningful investment by GSE, and he left Derby in a far more secure position than when he first took over. The fact that Steve McClaren then took over the reins and took the team forward on the pitch only goes so far in justifying Clough's sacking - and hindsight being 20:20, it's equally arguable that the whole financial mess which culminated in Administration and subsequent relegation would never had happened if Clough had not had his legs sawn from under him following the 1:0 defeat at the City Ground. Shipley Ram, DerbyAleMan, Slaapwekkend P and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 5 minutes ago, ossieram said: Prove it. Someone on here looked at clubs accounts. Various websites suggest this , though i wouldn't put my mortgage on them. Our attendances are about a third higher than our next nearest competitor. The for the purposes of conjecture on a fans website, that's enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 5 hours ago, sage said: You don't have to hate someone to not like their style of play and/or have concerns about how well they will manage in a higher division. Aren't you just assuming that he is a 'one-trick pony' based upon two relegations with Rotherham, a side operating on a far lower budget compared to Derby? Perhaps, if he is able to bring a little more quality into the club, he (and we) will flourish? Warne has certainly proved that, on very limited resources, he is able to spot players who will improve the side (this is clearly obvious with respect to how the team have performed recently). I accept that it's hardly been rivetingly exciting sometimes, but there have been some pretty decent performances. Caerphilly Ram, FlyBritishMidland, RadioactiveWaste and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, Wolfie said: Given the resources that we’ve had at our disposal I find it weird that Warne is being called out on recruitment. I'm only surprised he's not been called out on the weather. Wolfie, Crewton and Walkley Ram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 9 minutes ago, Eddie said: Aren't you just assuming that he is a 'one-trick pony' based upon two relegations with Rotherham, a side operating on a far lower budget compared to Derby? Perhaps, if he is able to bring a little more quality into the club, he (and we) will flourish? Warne has certainly proved that, on very limited resources, he is able to spot players who will improve the side (this is clearly obvious with respect to how the team have performed recently). I accept that it's hardly been rivetingly exciting sometimes, but there have been some pretty decent performances. his recruitment has been a mixed bag. If we go up. i think his recruitment will tell a story jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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