Paul Warne

[FlyBritishMidland]

On 16/04/2024 at 19:04, sage said:

Or we could debate the differences between how the 2 managers have set about the task.

But no, fetch the pitchfork 

I think you’ve missed my point there, or I’ve missed yours.  No pitchforks intended from me.  I was trying to say it’s different times and society.  Back then, you really debated the football and formed your view of the general feeling of supporters by the opinions of your mates and those you went to the match with.  Now, you get views of anyone, anywhere in the world instantly.  Plus, more exposure to different styles of football from across the world.

I suspect if the internet, social media and as much live football on TV existed in the 80’s you’d see similar views.  From Arthur Cox is clueless we should walk the league, to we nearly went bust 2 years ago and he’s done an amazing job.  It would probably be very similar to now.  Flip it round, a lot the people I know think PW is doing alright and deserves to keep his job next year regardless.  With no internet, etc, I’d think all Rams fans felt similar.

I’ve probably done a very bad job of saying it’s hard to compare eras a feeling amongst fans.

Edited April 18 by FlyBritishMidland

[MaltRam]

The job Warne has done, since Stevenage away, has been exemplary.

You cannot play one touch 50 pass moves with league 1 players. Not feasible. If we blow it, and have to face up to another season down here, Warne is definitely the man to rebuild us and go again.

If we go up, he will have earnt the right to build a Championship squad and have a go at keeping us up, as per his original brief.

I know he's marmite, with his off-beat personality profile, but he's clearly an honest and genuine man and it's hard to see a nice guy cop for abuse.

Edited April 18 by MaltRam

[MaltRam]

On 17/04/2024 at 22:13, RadioactiveWaste said:

@RoyMac5 can use whatever pronouns he/she wants! I frequently go by LLW or sometimes ILW, or if I'm sad, VLLW.

If you're sat gloomily watching the box, do you identify as LA-LLW?

Sorry...just love that a radwaste categorisation joke appeared on here.

[Tamworthram]

8 hours ago, MaltRam said:

The job Warne has done, since Stevenage away, has been exemplary.

You cannot play one touch 50 pass moves with league 1 players. Not feasible. If we blow it, and have to face up to another season down here, Warne is definitely the man to rebuild us and go again.

If we go up, he will have earnt the right to build a Championship squad and have a go at keeping us up, as per his original brief.

I know he's marmite, with his off-beat personality profile, but he's clearly an honest and genuine man and it's hard to see a nice guy cop for abuse.

I wouldn’t quite describe it as “exemplary”. Our performances against Northampton and Wycombe (in my book, by and large, the management and players take joint responsibility for the poor performances and credit for the good ones) in particular are enough of blot to make such an accolade unjustified. Even most of the wins have been less than convincing but, I agree with your other sentiments. 
 

whether he is the right man to rebuild and go again is uncertain (I do understand certain posters concerns) but I do think he’s got us close enough not to be sacked.

Again, I get the concerns voiced by some others if we go up but he will have earned the right to give it a go.

[Chester40]

55 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

I wouldn’t quite describe it as “exemplary”. Our performances against Northampton and Wycombe (in my book, by and large, the management and players take joint responsibility for the poor performances and credit for the good ones) in particular are enough of blot to make such an accolade unjustified. Even most of the wins have been less than convincing but, I agree with your other sentiments. 
 

whether he is the right man to rebuild and go again is uncertain (I do understand certain posters concerns) but I do think he’s got us close enough not to be sacked.

Again, I get the concerns voiced by some others if we go up but he will have earned the right to give it a go.

As one - of what felt a relatively small minority at times - who urged patience earlier in the season,  I'm obviously glad we were, and that the outcome justifies it.  I aleo don't subscribe to the 'with the squad we have it was the least we should expect/we should be walking this league' mentality either.

However,  we have been slightly fortunate that other teams have stumbled so much and/,or that 3 good teams went up last year that would possibly have finished above us again this year. It doesn’t feel like a particularly strong League 1 - the Championship looks ridiculously strong though.

All irrelevant, we go up and we deserve it. Warne deserves a crack at the Championship. 

But it's inevitable if we continue the style of play when we are bad that he will come under pressure. This year the mantra is 'he's done it 3 times' and that calm experience looks key now. Even the way we accepted a (vital) point at Wycombe whereas Peterborough have taken a couple of hidings in amongst their wins.

Next season all previous experience is relatively negative so it won't be long before the pressure is on. Bottom half there will be a lot of groans, near bottom 3 close to Xmas and I expect he'd be close to gone.

I can't imagine many teams go up with such a divided fan base around the manager but almost everyone will agree he's done his job this year and so understand why he's going to be given the chance again. How long that patience last is going to variable!!

[MackworthRamIsGod]

Football has been dire at times, but its a results business and fair play to Paul, he has got the results...I just hope we can finish the job now.

I thought we would finish 7th, I was wrong, I thought Paul would be sacked before the end of the season, I was wrong.  Its lovely being wrong at times!

Regardless of my personal feelings on the manager situation, what is deserving of so much credit is that we are in this position despite the huge amount of injuries we have sustained this season, to key players as well.

Paul has earnt his chance and I really hope we get to see him smiling talking to Owen after achieving what I never thought he was capable of doing.

Over to ariotofmyown to tell me why I am such an @rsehole 😆

[Crewton]

I'd say, from my POV, that the football has been dour, rather than dire, at times, but the difference in perception is probably just one of expectations. In all truth, I've been more frustrated with the team at times than the management, particularly when individuals have done something dumb, or when they haven't built on a 1 goal lead and allowed the opposition to score a soft equaliser. I've usually found Warne's post-match interviews refreshing and well balanced compared to most other managers.

But the team have usually restored my faith in them by bouncing back from poor results and poor performances. Their resilience has been truly impressive and even after the low points of Stevenage away and the only two consecutive defeats of the season against Reading and Charlton, they've dug in and produced a result that I feared would not be possible. It certainly hasn't been a comfortable, reassuring season, but it's generally been a positive one and, provided it ends in promotion, one that I'll treasure.

 

[nottingram]

10 hours ago, MaltRam said:

The job Warne has done, since Stevenage away, has been exemplary.

You cannot play one touch 50 pass moves with league 1 players. Not feasible. If we blow it, and have to face up to another season down here, Warne is definitely the man to rebuild us and go again.

If we go up, he will have earnt the right to build a Championship squad and have a go at keeping us up, as per his original brief.

I know he's marmite, with his off-beat personality profile, but he's clearly an honest and genuine man and it's hard to see a nice guy cop for abuse.

I don’t think I’ve ever really understood this argument. You can’t do it perfectly but if you have a relatively big budget for the level you can buy relatively better players for the level who can do it.

If we get promoted, we will have a relatively worse squad than this year, that’s where I can understand pragmatism. Although even then we played decent enough football to accumulate enough points to be lower mid table with a tiny budget last time we were there, albeit in weird circumstances.

Warne has chosen this way to play football. It’s not really my taste but we’re pretty good at it so who am I to argue. But let’s not pretend he’s not had a choice. 

[Anag Ram]

Our issue for many seasons was that we were a soft touch in physical games away from home. There were certain fixtures I used to dread because we had little chance of coping and would concede possession from start to finish.

Warne and the staff have addressed this, albeit in a low league. We are more robust now and competitive in every league game.

No team in League One has played good football consistently this year. That’s largely down to a lack of quality.  

[jcidaho]

2 hours ago, Chester40 said:

I can't imagine many teams go up with such a divided fan base around the manager but almost everyone will agree he's done his job this year and so understand why he's going to be given the chance again. How long that patience last is going to variable!!

 

I don't think the fanbase is that divided - at the match there's plenty of pro-warne chants for example. A few posters on here give the impression of a split fanbase, but the reality is different. It's like reading twitter and thinking the world is mental, whereas in reality you've just stumbled across some nutters in the village square.

[YorkshireRam]

1 hour ago, nottingram said:

I don’t think I’ve ever really understood this argument. You can’t do it perfectly but if you have a relatively big budget for the level you can buy relatively better players for the level who can do it.

Warne has chosen this way to play football. It’s not really my taste but we’re pretty good at it so who am I to argue. But let’s not pretend he’s not had a choice. 

...which we haven't been able to do due to transfer restrictions, which aren't lifted until this summer? Warne is literally working with a squad of freebies...

[nottingram]

12 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

...which we haven't been able to do due to transfer restrictions, which aren't lifted until this summer? Warne is literally working with a squad of freebies...

Yes I knew mistakenly using the word buy instead of sign would be picked up once I’d read it back and couldn’t edit it anymore, but I’m not really sure it drastically changes the point being made. We have better players than most teams in the division because we can pay players more than most teams in the division. 

For example I don’t really think us being allowed to spend a few hundred k on an ultra ball playing defender would’ve meant we’d have done that over signing Sonny Bradley. And that’s fine and not even a criticism, we’ve an incredible defensive record. Just no need to pretend we can’t possibly have tried to play better football. 

[YorkshireRam]

Just now, nottingram said:

Yes I knew mistakenly using the word buy instead of sign would be picked up once I’d read it back and couldn’t edit it anymore, but I’m not really sure it drastically changes the point being made. We have better players than most teams in the division because we can pay players more than most teams in the division. 

For example I don’t really think us being allowed to spend a few hundred k on an ultra ball playing defender would’ve meant we’d have done that over signing Sonny Bradley. And that’s fine and not even a criticism, we’ve an incredible defensive record. Just no need to pretend we can’t possibly have tried to play better football. 

Potentially, but those 'better' signings all come with drawbacks (usually age). Ultimately, all free agents are in that position for a reason. It's easy to look at past credentials and say ''these players are better because of their CVs so we should walk the league'' but the reality is that, to be really harsh, these are other clubs' castoffs... 

Given Warne has repeatedly emphasised the importance of athleticism and pace within his system, the pool of players we could sign does not really fit the 23-28 year old demographic that we ideally want, as players in this age range are usually under contract.

I just think these constraints hardly get mentioned, but getting promoted without being able to buy a single player justifies turning to efficient football. It just seems fairly entitled to sit here in 2nd place, with a fantastic chance to go up, and be moaning about style of play; especially when there are mitigating factors as to why we may have had to turn to pragmatism. ''Trying to play better football'' with the players we have at our disposal may have cost us a chance at promotion, would that have been worth it?

[nottingram]

10 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

Potentially, but those 'better' signings all come with drawbacks (usually age). Ultimately, all free agents are in that position for a reason. It's easy to look at past credentials and say ''these players are better because of their CVs so we should walk the league'' but the reality is that, to be really harsh, these are other clubs' castoffs... 

Given Warne has repeatedly emphasised the importance of athleticism and pace within his system, the pool of players we could sign does not really fit the 23-28 year old demographic that we ideally want, as players in this age range are usually under contract.

I just think these constraints hardly get mentioned, but getting promoted without being able to buy a single player justifies turning to efficient football. It just seems fairly entitled to sit here in 2nd place, with a fantastic chance to go up, and be moaning about style of play; especially when there are mitigating factors as to why we may have had to turn to pragmatism. ''Trying to play better football'' with the players we have at our disposal may have cost us a chance at promotion, would that have been worth it?

The constraints get mentioned all the time, they are hardly a secret.

Warne has done a good job this season, I’ve literally said we’re good at what we do. I was replying to someone who said L1 footballers can’t play pretty football. I just think that’s not really true, if you have better players than the competition then you probably can. Our starting XI is experienced but hardly dads army. So when we have a relatively worse team next season (if promoted) it’ll be harder to improve the style / play a different style, which is probably fine because we won’t want to then either. 

I don’t really see how it can be called entitled when I’ve not even moaned about style of play. Just said it’s not to my taste, because it isn’t. I can sit here and swallow it when we win.

No one knows whether it would be worth it to establish a better style of play. Maybe we’ll be sat here in 12 months facing relegation having struggled to adapt to the Championship. Maybe if we’d gone in a different direction we’d have missed out this year, but walked L1 next year playing swashbuckling football ready to take the championship on. Maybe we go up this year and finish top 6. Who knows or frankly cares? 

[Inverurie Ram]

“It ain’t what you do, it’s the way that you do it, and that’s what gets results”

Love Paul Warne 🖤 🐏

[kevinhectoring]

On 18/04/2024 at 13:44, Ram-Alf said:

 

Wonderful to have more of Paul Warne’s insights into Paul Warne 

[Andicis]

12 hours ago, jcidaho said:

 

I don't think the fanbase is that divided - at the match there's plenty of pro-warne chants for example. A few posters on here give the impression of a split fanbase, but the reality is different. It's like reading twitter and thinking the world is mental, whereas in reality you've just stumbled across some nutters in the village square.

Not sure I agree with this really. Of the people I chat to at the match, it's a highly divisive topic and is probably 60-40 in favour. Fans are chanting in support in the match, but that doesn't make it entirely representative of their true feelings. 

[Crewton]

1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said:

Wonderful to have more of Paul Warne’s insights into Paul Warne 

At least he doesn't post on here.

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

2 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

Wonderful to have more of Paul Warne’s insights into Paul Warne 

Really enjoyed this interview 👍👍

[Archied]

5 hours ago, Andicis said:

Not sure I agree with this really. Of the people I chat to at the match, it's a highly divisive topic and is probably 60-40 in favour. Fans are chanting in support in the match, but that doesn't make it entirely representative of their true feelings. 

They are chanting warnes name AFTER games now , that’s not in game chants to raise the team , it’s praise for the job he is doing and well deserved it is too , he’s also not jumping in on the bounce to steal the players / fans joy , he is maintaining that line as the boss with a job to do , some on here may not like it but the majority of fans at games are giving Warne the respect and praise he deserves for what he is creating at derby ,

there’s an honesty and culture at the club now that’s been missing for a long time and I for one want to see where he can take it given time and a bit more to spend 

Edited April 20 by Archied