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5 minutes ago, ram59 said:

There are 2 requirements for a red, not a serious attempt to play the ball and stopping a clear goalscoring opportunity. The first is a given, the second less so, especially when the ref appears not to have known what was going on. Having said that several minor decisions didn't go our way either, like when Collins lept cleanly for the ball, only for the Torquay player to back under him and when their player headed the ball out for a corner when there wasn't a Derby player within yards of him, nevermind the blatant push on Dobbin, none of these decisions went our way.

Fozzy was coming in from the side (not between the Torquay player and the goal). Therefore, surely it had to be considered a goal scoring “opportunity”. There was no other player, other than Wildsmith, between the striker and the goal. 

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28 minutes ago, nogbad van 50 said:

TV commentator said we were formed in 1888 so you're in good company!?

No he didn't. He said we were founder members of the league back in 1888. (which was indeed when the league was founded). 

He also said that all our appearances as losing finalists were so long ago that it was when the final was held at places like crystal palace.... 

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Games like this are never going to be a walk in the park like some people think. 
 

It’s what the FA Cup is all about and it’s why the TV games are picked like they are, because they know these games produce what they have today. 
 

Todays game doesn’t reflect on what our season is so far of where it’s going. If anything, that last minute goal will do us more good than harm. 

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1 hour ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

Warne hasnt got a record of success in league 1????

And this squad were even more s*** under Rosenior,a man who no record of success at all....and,let's not forget,were getting steadily worse prior to him being replaced.

That's not what I said it unless you ignored the words that came immediately afterwards..... 

I would disagree about your second assertion. Our last game against Wycombe under him was actually statistically our best under him but don't let facts get in your way

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Well up till the red card we were cruising. Even with the missed chances we were the only team looking like scoring. Despite bring pilloried here, Bird was playing well, with a load of interceptions and tackles, and passing was IJ. Collins curiously spent a lot of time out on the wing, but tackled and linked well, and Sibley, careless high foot aside was also playing well.

After the red card we were unsettled, which shows how much we depend on Cashin’s dominance. We started to sit 10 - 15 yards deeper which invited pressure, and dragged Bird back to where he is ineffective. Taking Sibley and NML off to save their legs sort of made sense, but stifled our forwards play.

But we also let a string of poor decisions immediately after the red card get to us, and our heads went down, and then it was only a matter of time.

RE the red card: a number of people criticised it citing Cashin not bring the last man. Well it is time to have a read of the rule book. The rule that committing a foul without a serious attempt to play the ball has bern in place since 2016 - that is 6 years ago. Come on guys - get up to speed. But for the ref to give the red card while having no idea who committed it is criminal. Especially as he had full sight of the foul on Dobbin in the first half, which was a definite pushing off balance is just as bad, but quite normal for Derby County.

But ultimately, it was is who lost that game. Although doing ok, we had departed from the tactics which Warne was forced into for the last two games, and with the substitutions we resorted to hoof it upfield. Just kick it hard, and kick it somewhere. But our forwards weren’t “somewhere”, they were “nowhere”, and the ball just kept coming back and the pressure piled up.

A staple diet of Big Boot football doesn't work, Paul, even against National League teams. Please don’t ket us slip back to what wasn’t working before the change to 4 at the back was forced on you. In a way it was a shame we didn’t lose the match because we can do without overstretching what is one of the smallest squads in professional football.

Let’s learn from this, roll our sleeves up and move on.

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1 hour ago, bimmerman said:

Just got in from the game

Was never a red. Ever. Lino and ref didn't have a clue what was going on and lost control at that point

Pitch was a bog in real bad weather. 

Our 'fans' were toxic-the muppet that streaked tried to fight an old boy at half time for nothing, then him and his mate started on Wildsmith, the stewards refused to throw them out for some reason though before they interrupted the game-absolute ricks

Derby looked non league, game went when nml came off

Got what we deserved 

 

 

 

 

God I love football - thanks David Clowes ?

Definitely 110% a red….

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29 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said:

Games like this are never going to be a walk in the park like some people think. 
 

It’s what the FA Cup is all about and it’s why the TV games are picked like they are, because they know these games produce what they have today. 
 

Todays game doesn’t reflect on what our season is so far of where it’s going. If anything, that last minute goal will do us more good than harm. 

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33 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

No he didn't. He said we were founder members of the league back in 1888. (which was indeed when the league was founded). 

He also said that all our appearances as losing finalists were so long ago that it was when the final was held at places like crystal palace.... 

I stand corrected! ??

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47 minutes ago, angieram said:

Well you lot can go to the bloody game then, I'm knackered already and it's only the 6th of the month!

It will probably be on telly, ITV3 or 4 I'd guess.

Tbh, I thought it was extra time and pens, so I'm glad we get a replay. 

We'd never have gone through otherwise.

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1 hour ago, bimmerman said:

Our 'fans' were toxic-the muppet that streaked tried to fight an old boy at half time for nothing, then him and his mate started on Wildsmith, the stewards refused to throw them out for some reason though before they interrupted the game-absolute ricks

Why bother going all this way to support your team and behave like this ?

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51 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Fozzy was coming in from the side (not between the Torquay player and the goal). Therefore, surely it had to be considered a goal scoring “opportunity”. There was no other player, other than Wildsmith, between the striker and the goal. 

Whether, he was through on goal, is a matter of debate, Holloway didn't think so,  Johnson did. However, for the ref to send a player off, he must be 100% sure of what happened, he didn't even know who committed the foul.

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5 minutes ago, ram59 said:

Whether, he was through on goal, is a matter of debate, Holloway didn't think so,  Johnson did. However, for the ref to send a player off, he must be 100% sure of what happened, he didn't even know who committed the foul.

Quite, Holloway didn't think so, non Derby fan mates of mine don't think so yet some derby fans are adamant it's a red, "110% FFS". Odd.

More broadly, surely being a fan is being one eyed, we're ALWAYS robbed ?

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