RipleyRich Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Budgie895 said: How long were Coventry without a stadium for? Surely they weren't ground sharing for 10 years I think their nomadic existence brought about that rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 To get this far so that literally everything is agreed but to have the real possibility of DCFC ceasing to exist because of MM's hold over the stadium is seriously demoralising. Genuine fear CK will walk. RedSox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: Don’t think Mel wants the ground. What he wants is to get his 20m security deposit back But there’s not enough money in Kirchner’s bid to return MM’s deposit - the deposit is needed to pay off MSD Your probably right, but there is a risk in this for Mel, if Derby did ground share or, god forbid, get liquidated he then has the ground and the MSD loan to service. I wonder how long the current Derby agreement to lease the ground from Mel has left to run, it could be this lease that would stop Derby from ground sharing. Theres so much detail we do not know it’s difficult to pull together even an educated guess.? TomG, whiteroseram and kevinhectoring 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyBilly Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Woodypecker said: We already had a horrid, drawn-out sh !t show when Lionel (for all his great legacy of PPS etc) would not enable Gadsby & Co to take over the club 20 years ago, and the Amigos got control. Another local 'super-fan', MM, seems to have taken the whole debacle to another, possibly fatal level. WTF is going to pull us back from the brink? The Phoenix Club should be called DCFC Lemmings, as a permanent warning against pious, obstinate, ego-driven owners! Mel's not fit to have his name mentioned in the same sentence as Lionel Pickering for me. Maybe nostalgia but Lionel's legacy was having left us with PPS, having built it for us and depleted his fortune to basically nothing in doing so. I'd think Lionel would be turning in his grave to see the ground being separated out from the club and potentially DCFC being homeless and/or liquidated. The difference I think is that I/we believe Mel has money (Pickering didn't) and so it is his in effect his choosing to put us in this situation. Ramarena, Ted McMinn Football Genius, Kathcairns and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Could they agree to sell the club over 20 years, or something? Even if it was 2 million per year. Or over 10 years. That removes the concern of MM having control if he leases the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derby8 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 31 minutes ago, Ellafella said: Actually 8th May 1884. Thanks, your fuller answer from March 2021 appeared when I googled. DC said 13/5/1884, but see leaked on 7/5/1884, etc. Ellafella 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Eatonram said: Ive said several times over the last few days that we need the breathing space to sort this and a one year rental from MM would make sense....... However, some say that the EFL require a minimum of 10 years??? No idea where this "rule" has come from or if true but that is being said. How did Coventry get past that rule, they didn’t have a ground because of their unscrupulous owners. Subsequently they were vagabonds for several season and therefore can’t have had a “10 year agreement”. Or is this another rule theyve “made up” in the last few weeks/ months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Mel should not be receiving death threats. A good old ruffling of the feathers is all that is needed David Graham Brown and jimtastic56 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypecker Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, SillyBilly said: Mel's not fit to have his name mentioned in the same sentence as Lionel Pickering for me. Maybe nostalgia but Lionel's legacy was having left us with PPS, having built it for us and depleted his fortune to basically nothing in doing so. I'd think Lionel would be turning in his grave to see the ground being separated out from the club and potentially DCFC being homeless and/or liquidated. The difference I think is that I/we believe Mel has money (Pickering didn't) and so it is his in effect his choosing to put us in this situation. I didn't mention LP and MM in the same sentence....I simply contrasted the type of dire straits they had both (wittingly and/or unwittingly!) ultimately placed the club in at different times. I'm sure LP wished to keep club and stadium as a unit, of course. Even the Amigos' shenanigans didn't contrive to use the stadium as an inaccessible separate entity, which is what MM has gone and done. It is in MM's power to gift the stadium back to the club but he's woven the MSD loans, stadium rights, stadium purchase or lease terms, into a dark labyrinth for Council and CK to somehow disentangle. Let's hope it's not beyond their wits or resources.... David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilwellram Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 5 hours ago, Seth's left foot said: Is it just the stadium that is the blocker for the deal or are the supposed loans that Mel has against the club more of an obstacle? Loans against the club i believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, Ted McMinn Football Genius said: How did Coventry get past that rule, they didn’t have a ground because of their unscrupulous owners. Subsequently they were vagabonds for several season and therefore can’t have had a “10 year agreement”. Or is this another rule theyve “made up” in the last few weeks/ months. We’re they in administration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 50 minutes ago, BucksRam said: To get this far so that literally everything is agreed but to have the real possibility of DCFC ceasing to exist because of MM's hold over the stadium is seriously demoralising. Genuine fear CK will walk. I wouldn’t blame him at all BucksRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 What is quite ironic is the notion that Morris was safeguarding our home which Lionel Pickering ( A proper fan ) helped build when he got MSD/Loans involved regarding PP When in fact we needed to safeguard it against someone who would detach it from its owners and jeopardize our future.....eg...Morris!! RammingStone66, David Graham Brown and Ted McMinn Football Genius 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 58 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Mel should not be receiving death threats. A good old ruffling of the feathers is all that is needed 59 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Mel should not be receiving death threats. A good old ruffling of the feathers is all that is needed Luke Jenkinson dishing it out? Steve How Hard? and Rev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 49 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said: We’re they in administration? Good point. Didn't they just fall out with the landlords at the Ricoh? Possibly over the amount of rent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 3 hours ago, derby8 said: We lease the stadium now and prob has several years to run, so keep that in place but both sides agree on sale within say 2 years. The problem with that is that CK has stated that he wants MM completely out of the equation. This was just the other day, as he prepared to head over here. It was said in such a way as to suggest he won't even want to rent/lease from him, let alone do a deal on buying it from him (now or in the future). Either MM needs to sell to a.n.other (who then rents to CK/DCFC, or CK needs to back down, and strike some sort of deal with MM. ... which brings us to this morning's impasse... derby8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Gritstone Ram said: We’re they in administration? No, but the issue revolves around a venue to play matches, as we know they were evicted from their ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 hours ago, SillyBilly said: Mel's not fit to have his name mentioned in the same sentence as Lionel Pickering for me. Maybe nostalgia but Lionel's legacy was having left us with PPS, having built it for us and depleted his fortune to basically nothing in doing so. I'd think Lionel would be turning in his grave to see the ground being separated out from the club and potentially DCFC being homeless and/or liquidated. The difference I think is that I/we believe Mel has money (Pickering didn't) and so it is his in effect his choosing to put us in this situation. 100% with you on the above strawhillram, David Graham Brown and S8TY 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 46 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: The problem with that is that CK has stated that he wants MM completely out of the equation. This was just the other day, as he prepared to head over here. It was said in such a way as to suggest he won't even want to rent/lease from him, let alone do a deal on buying it from him (now or in the future). Either MM needs to sell to a.n.other (who then rents to CK/DCFC, or CK needs to back down, and strike some sort of deal with MM. ... which brings us to this morning's impasse... I agree with CK. i wouldn’t deal with Morris as he’s not to be trusted RadioactiveWaste, jimtastic56 and S8TY 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertRam Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 I can only think that we need someone like "arry" to speak to both of them, i'm sure he could arrange something to resolve the current situation..? europia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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