EnigmaRam Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 If we’re not gonna be out of embargo to be able to sign players before the window shuts we may aswell continue talks to get the smallest deduction possible. DavesaRam, CBRammette, strawhillram and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnyram Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: If we’re not gonna be out of embargo to be able to sign players before the window shuts we may aswell continue talks to get the smallest deduction possible. Bang on. The football decision is balancing the points deduction with a quick exit from the transfer embargo and whether we are confident of making up the difference with new players DCFC1388 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 35 minutes ago, Lander said: I've seen that one. Maybe the heads the other way around. Lander 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarterForTen Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: If we’re not gonna be out of embargo to be able to sign players before the window shuts we may aswell continue talks to get the smallest deduction possible. I wouldn't worry too much about the closing of the Transfer Window as there are so many free agents available this year and they can be signed at any time - as long as the club is not under an embargo course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 25 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: If we’re not gonna be out of embargo to be able to sign players before the window shuts we may aswell continue talks to get the smallest deduction possible. Exactly and if they they are imposed then appeal if we consider it unjust and based on what we have been told it should be unjust Carl Sagan and r_wilcockson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 @Landerit was a demand not an opinion ? Lander 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lander Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: @Landerit was a demand not an opinion ? On it boss Mostyn6, RadioactiveWaste and RoyMac5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, EnigmaRam said: Sounds to me like even after selling the ground and finding £30 mil down the back of the sofa we’ve still managed to breach P&S. kinda shocking really. The only thing we don’t know is what years this breach relates to. Can the deduction realistically be for anything else? We were £17.5m within the limit under the non-compliant amortisation method. With an extra £30 that would have given us £47.5m headroom We made purchases worth £57m in the 2015-2018 years. £10m to be made up in an extreme case scenario However, not all of the amortisation for Thorne, Johnson, Butterfield, Blackman, Lawrence, etc falls inside the relevant period. Just for those 5 players, I estimate £8m to fall in the 18/19 accounts or onwards for a standard straight-line method taking into account contract extensions. Other players would also be taken into account, easing the position considerably. With adjustments to amortisation, comes adjustments to transfer profit. I believe Ince and Weimann make up the majority of the variance. Roughly £4m extra. If there is a breach, it won't be with the £30m sofa money. LeedsCityRam and Reggie Greenwood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: We were £17.5m within the limit under the non-compliant amortisation method. With an extra £30 that would have given us £47.5m headroom We made purchases worth £57m in the 2015-2018 years. £10m to be made up in an extreme case scenario However, not all of the amortisation for Thorne, Johnson, Butterfield, Blackman, Lawrence, etc falls inside the relevant period. Just for those 5 players, I estimate £8m to fall in the 18/19 accounts or onwards for a standard straight-line method taking into account contract extensions. Other players would also be taken into account, easing the position considerably. With adjustments to amortisation, comes adjustments to transfer profit. I believe Ince and Weimann make up the majority of the variance. Roughly £4m extra. If there is a breach, it won't be with the £30m sofa money. you were very confident there wouldn't be a breach, still the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, StarterForTen said: I wouldn't worry too much about the closing of the Transfer Window as there are so many free agents available this year and they can be signed at any time - as long as the club is not under an embargo course. But that rules out any loan players we were wanting to add to the team. That’s generally where the added quality comes from. Andrew3000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSlate Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: He blocked me for pointing that out to him one time, I think in similar circumstances on the eve of their big Derby match. He blocked me for pointing out similar yesterday. Despite his reasonably good reputation, he's not always right. Derby have made him look a right mug once or twice in the last year, intentionally? Probably not. The best journalism I've seen lately has come from Matt Slater of The Athletic. I think Percy probably had a good source in the club a few years back, now, not so much. Carl Sagan and RoyMac5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, TheSlate said: He blocked me for pointing out similar yesterday. Despite his reasonably good reputation, he's not always right. Derby have made him look a right mug once or twice in the last year, intentionally? Probably not. The best journalism I've seen lately has come from Matt Slater of The Athletic. I think Percy probably had a good source in the club a few years back, now, not so much. A lot is guesswork...Most on Sky were reporting/saying in the studio that Harry Kane was on his way to Man City, Only a few said...But he's dealing with Daniel Levy. Percy...Pah!! TheSlate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 5 hours ago, StarterForTen said: I wouldn't worry too much about the closing of the Transfer Window as there are so many free agents available this year and they can be signed at any time - as long as the club is not under an embargo course. Concerned that Rooney has a target list and some of those players will sign or be loaned elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Spanish said: you were very confident there wouldn't be a breach, still the case? For which period and using which method? ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Ghost of Clough said: For which period and using which method? ?♂️ I don't know, I just recall it, if you don't you probably didnt say it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, Spanish said: I don't know, I just recall it, if you don't you probably didnt say it If it's a made up amortisation policy then I'll be very surprised if we fail any year. Straight-line (with extensions), I estimate the following: Fail: 2017 (£6m), 2020 (£6m), 21 (£2.5m) Pass: 2018 (£0m), 2019 (£3.5m) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Ghost of Clough said: If it's a made up amortisation policy then I'll be very surprised if we fail any year. Straight-line (with extensions), I estimate the following: Fail: 2017 (£6m), 2020 (£6m), 21 (£2.5m) Pass: 2018 (£0m), 2019 (£3.5m) Is that including the stadium sale and the “extra £30m”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: If it's a made up amortisation policy then I'll be very surprised if we fail any year. Straight-line (with extensions), I estimate the following: Fail: 2017 (£6m), 2020 (£6m), 21 (£2.5m) Pass: 2018 (£0m), 2019 (£3.5m) What would that entail points deduction wise if the efl followed there own letter of the law etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 It’s sunny in Cornwall and I have beer. That’s all I can contribute to this debate. Probably wrong thread but ? Steve How Hard?, richinspain, ck- and 2 others 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, duncanjwitham said: Is that including the stadium sale and the “extra £30m”? With stadium sale, excluding the £30m duncanjwitham 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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