Pearl Ram Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 The EFL want a nine point deduction, we tell them we were thinking along the lines of three...six points deduction incoming then. ?♂️ RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Hopefully that has been fed to Percy so that when we eventually agree to a 3-6 point deduction it will seem much better ? r_wilcockson, Chester40 and BarrowRam 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 If we have done nothing wrong within the written rules at the time of any punishment we should dam well be challenging it and I don’t care how long it takes. TheSlate, Iniestagram, RoyMac5 and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 9 points would be difficult to make up. Why should we accept it anyway? This is all on the EFL. It's their sheer incompetence dragging this on. They signed off the accounts and never complained. While I don't think we should accept a points deduction, if it meant we could sign some players and end this once and for all, I'd take 3 points. r_wilcockson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Sparkle said: If we have done nothing wrong within the written rules at the time of any punishment we should dam well be challenging it and I don’t care how long it takes. Absolutely agree here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Devil is in the detail that we don’t know here. If it was a cut and dried 9 points for breaching spending limits then there wouldn’t be a debate surely. My hunch is we’ve breached spending limits by 3 points, and they’re trying to impose the max 9 point penalty for aggravating factors. So 12 points but out of the goodness of their hearts they will suspend 3!! Let’s see what comes out but until the info is released the EFL are complete Bamfords RoyMac5 and RadioactiveWaste 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, DCFC1388 said: The negotiation will be down to the fact we could've sold players etc to change our p&s figures which we cannot do retrospectively now if we change the accounts after the inital sign off. Seems like neither us nor the efl want it to go to a tribunal again which is good. Maybe a 3pt deduction with an additional 3pts suspended? All embargoes removed & we move forward So the business plan bit could be interpreted as you must sell Buchanan to the forest cheaply to make the EFL boarded happy RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 We can't "accept" a 9 point deduction (+3 pts suspended as the piece says) so we have to contest it, which means we remain in limbo for another year with the EFL achieving their intention of death by a thousand cuts. It's so miserable and depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rammy03 said: 9 points would be difficult to make up. Why should we accept it anyway? This is all on the EFL. It's their sheer incompetence dragging this on. They signed off the accounts and never complained. While I don't think we should accept a points deduction, if it meant we could sign some players and end this once and for all, I'd take 3 points. I think if we had done something totally innocently then I'd agree...but it feels to me more like we tried to bend the rules. Legally its maybe unfair but morally I'm ok with us taking a 3 point deduction, 3 points suspended and sign a couple of players. Edited August 26, 2021 by Chester40 Rammy03, norwichram, r_wilcockson and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said: I maybe wrong but I think we could appeal against the punishment the EFL give us but not the verdict. It makes sense to agree the punishment as it brings the issue to a close for both parties and removes the need for further appeals If Percy is right it looks like we really breached the FFP in a number of seasons ??? 9 points ???? The punishment for the EFL case was £100K. This is different it’s the restated accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rammy03 said: 9 points would be difficult to make up. Why should we accept it anyway? This is all on the EFL. It's their sheer incompetence dragging this on. They signed off the accounts and never complained. While I don't think we should accept a points deduction, if it meant we could sign some players and end this once and for all, I'd take 3 points. Whilst I agree with most of that but just signing a few random players is rather difficult at this point so no deduction without full appeal for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JfR Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Sparkle said: So the business plan bit could be interpreted as you must sell Buchanan to the forest cheaply to make the EFL boarded happy The business plan is a concerning bit. When Birmingham had one imposed, the EFL tried to make them sell Che Adams in the January for half of what they ended up getting for him in the summer, which they then charged Birmingham for doing. It would be quite galling to see players sold for a relative pittance just because the EFL insist upon us doing it. Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Mel's response! i-Ram, Lander, Rammy03 and 7 others 1 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said: The negotiation will be down to the fact we could've sold players etc to change our p&s figures which we cannot do retrospectively now if we change the accounts after the inital sign off. Seems like neither us nor the efl want it to go to a tribunal again which is good. Maybe a 3pt deduction with an additional 3pts suspended? All embargoes removed & we move forward A 3 point deduction with a 3 points suspended would be an excellent result. Premier ram and r_wilcockson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sparkle said: If we have done nothing wrong within the written rules at the time of any punishment we should dam well be challenging it and I don’t care how long it takes. But then Mel can’t sell and we can’t bring the players Rooney wants in we are up against a wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Rev said: Mel's response! I would have a fair bit of respect for him if that was his stance but what with one thing and another I think he’s lost the will to take them on again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said: A 3 point deduction with a 3 points suspended would be an excellent result. Why would it? strawhillram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said: A 3 point deduction with a 3 points suspended would be an excellent result. For the EFL , but I get where some might feel this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: But then Mel can’t sell and we can’t bring the players Rooney wants in we are up against a wall No guarantees that any of that will or could happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thameram Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 What a mess on the eve of a big game the points deduction is headline news again if we have done anything wrong they can prove then the rules are points deduction if not move on efl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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