Boycie Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Here’s my view. We are saying that supply is slowing down. The suppliers are saying supply is fine. Are we pretending to slow down to placate the EU while secretly just ploughing on regardless? up yours Delores, we put our order in way before you did. Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 This seems to be the way of the world - at least as far as the UK/EU relationship is concerned now. The politics of division, brinkmanship, finger-pointing, rhetoric and posturing. ariotofmyown, Ramathorn and GboroRam 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Eddie said: This seems to be the way of the world - at least as far as the UK/EU relationship is concerned now. The politics of division, brinkmanship, finger-pointing, rhetoric and posturing. If we didn't blame each other we might blame those in charge...... Eddie, Comrade 86 and ariotofmyown 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 If you think our Govt are bad at least they haven't managed to convince over half the population (through nothing more than petty politics) that the way out of the crisis - the vaccine, isn't safe ? Andicis and Angry Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Its not going well for him ? Comrade 86 and Andicis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, maxjam said: If you think our Govt are bad at least they haven't managed to convince over half the population (through nothing more than petty politics) that the way out of the crisis - the vaccine, isn't safe ? Well if they don't want the vaccine, I'm sure we can find a use for it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Eddie said: This seems to be the way of the world - at least as far as the UK/EU relationship is concerned now. The politics of division, brinkmanship, finger-pointing, rhetoric and posturing. Weirdly (!) a number of the EU bureaucrats and MEPs are publicly stating that they want 'a level playing field' - oblivious to the fact that this is a commercial situation whereby we placed our orders first (so got the vaccine first (and got more doses)). They're either a bit dim and struggle to separate political decisions from commercial agreements or they're still desperately playing to their voters/member states in the vague hope that they can's see through the EU smokescreen that's trying to hide the fact that it's their own bureaucracy and dithering that has killed people..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 There seems to be a fair degree of happiness/smugness that the UK is doing better on vaccines than the big countries in Europe, and politicians like Macron somehow deserve it. Might be worth remembering that these countries are our closest partners and friends. Don't buy into the jingoism that we are better and not to trust them. Don't follow the desperate tabloid agendas. Can't everyone just be happy that we are getting loads of people vaccinated without having to take pleasure in the suffering of others? Just imagine that the French Grandma of that colleague dies before she can get the vaccine? Not so funny then. It's like the tabloid attitude when we have a heatwave. Find a few "hot" places like Greece, Barbados, Sydney etc and brag about how the UK is hotter than these losers. RoyMac5, Olton Ram, JoetheRam and 3 others 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gaspode said: Well if they don't want the vaccine, I'm sure we can find a use for it..... Nah, they couldn't add it to their stockpile if they gave it away... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-nations-urged-to-use-covid-vaccine-stockpiles-nr2f8htbg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: There seems to be a fair degree of happiness/smugness that the UK is doing better on vaccines than the big countries in Europe, and politicians like Macron somehow deserve it. Might be worth remembering that these countries are our closest partners and friends. Don't buy into the jingoism that we are better and not to trust them. Don't follow the desperate tabloid agendas. Can't everyone just be happy that we are getting loads of people vaccinated without having to take pleasure in the suffering of others? Just imagine that the French Grandma of that colleague dies before she can get the vaccine? Not so funny then. It's like the tabloid attitude when we have a heatwave. Find a few "hot" places like Greece, Barbados, Sydney etc and brag about how the UK is hotter than these losers. Whilst there maybe an element of jingoism from some people, the pro-EU/anti-Brexit agenda still exudes from others. Regardless of any politics for once we were ahead of the game with this one and for the EU to threaten to block vaccine exports to the UK - a vaccine that we not only helped to fund but also ordered in bulk early is disgusting. A French grandma dying through EU incompetence is unfortunate, a UK grandma dying because a readily available vaccine is being held up at the border because of politics is I repeat, disgusting. Angry Ram, Andicis, BIllyD and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, maxjam said: Regardless of any politics for once we were ahead of the game with this one and for the EU to threaten to block vaccine exports to the UK - a vaccine that we not only helped to fund but also ordered in bulk early is disgusting. I don't really know many of the details, but I can imagine what the attitude would be in the UK if another country had got in there early, leaving us with less than we needed. Furthering the French grandma example, it is disgusting if she dies whilst healthy 40-50 year old Brits get vaccinated? Or is that just tough cos we won the procurement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: I don't really know many of the details, but I can imagine what the attitude would be in the UK if another country had got in there early, leaving us with less than we needed. Yes, I to can imagine the attitude of those that like to criticise the Govt at every turn for not actiing quick enough... 5 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: Furthering the French grandma example, it is disgusting if she dies whilst healthy 40-50 year old Brits get vaccinated? Or is that just tough cos we won the procurement? Have Africa received the 5% Macron urged the EU to send yet or is he to busy worrying about blocking ones that should be delivered to us - this whilst the EU sit on 12m of unused vaccines themselves. https://www.ft.com/content/15853717-af6c-4858-87d4-58b1826895a8 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-nations-urged-to-use-covid-vaccine-stockpiles-nr2f8htbg It seems to me that we are not only willing but able to vaccinate huge numbers of people whilst the EU dither and play politics. As far as I am concerned, not only did we help fund the development of the Astrazenica vaccination but placed a large order in good faith that should be honoured. If we then decide to give some back to the EU, Africa or wherever that should be our choice - to block delivery is immoral. ariotofmyown and Norman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, maxjam said: Whilst there maybe an element of jingoism from some people, the pro-EU/anti-Brexit agenda still exudes from others. Regardless of any politics for once we were ahead of the game with this one and for the EU to threaten to block vaccine exports to the UK - a vaccine that we not only helped to fund but also ordered in bulk early is disgusting. A French grandma dying through EU incompetence is unfortunate, a UK grandma dying because a readily available vaccine is being held up at the border because of politics is I repeat, disgusting. I will be anti-Brexit until the day I die. That doesn't preclude me from thinking that vaccines should not be used as a political weapon by certain 'leaders' of EU countries, purely as a vehicle to rattle their own sabres and court popularity amongst their own electorate. sheeponacid, RoyMac5 and ariotofmyown 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 With the possibility of a third wave hitting mainland Europe. If as we are constantly being told that we have contol of our own borders, along with the toughest quarantine registration of any other country. Why is Johnson saying he expects the third wave to wash up on our shores? Premier ram and Rammy03 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, 1of4 said: With the possibility of a third wave hitting mainland Europe. If as we are constantly being told that we have contol of our own borders, along with the toughest quarantine registration of any other country. Why is Johnson saying he expects the third wave to wash up on our shores? Rafts? Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, 1of4 said: With the possibility of a third wave hitting mainland Europe. If as we are constantly being told that we have contol of our own borders, along with the toughest quarantine registration of any other country. Why is Johnson saying he expects the third wave to wash up on our shores? He might be saying "stay away from the beach this time". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Covid: UK marks one year since the first lockdown The UK is marking one year since the first coronavirus lockdown was announced. On 23 March 2020 Boris Johnson outlined measures to stop the spread of Covid-19. Since then, the UK's official death toll has risen from 364 to 126,172. With the lockdown have come tough restrictions on socialising, closures of schools, pubs and shops with many rules currently still in place. A minute's silence will be held at midday as part of a day of reflection. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56491532 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Covid: £5,000 fine for people going on holiday abroad. A £5,000 fine for anyone in England trying to travel abroad without good reason is due to come into force next week as part of new coronavirus laws. The penalty is included in legislation that will be voted on by MPs on Thursday. Foreign holidays are currently not allowed under the "stay at home" rule which ends on Monday. But then the ban on leaving the UK at this time will become a specific law backed up by the threat of the fine. The new coronavirus laws, due to be introduced on Monday, suggest anyone who leaves England for a destination outside the UK without a reasonable excuse could face a £5,000 fine. Anyone travelling abroad has to fill in a "Declaration to Travel" form, stating a valid reason for leaving the country, such as education, work or childcare https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56493002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoetheRam Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) So the mega rich will have to find another couple of Shekels when they jet off to the Bahamas this year... On the plus side at least it will stop the virus coming into the UK...? Holidays abroad seem a distant memory already. Might be a few 'educational' trips coming up. Edited March 23, 2021 by JoetheRam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, JoetheRam said: So the mega rich will have to find another couple of Shekels when they jet off to the Bahamas this year... On the plus side at least it will stop the virus coming into the UK...? Holidays abroad seem a distant memory already. Might be a few 'educational' trips coming up. I'm a self employed Greek food writer, and my wife is a food photographer. JoetheRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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