Matchday Thread - Derby County vs Plymouth Argyle (03/09 15:00)

[Ellafella]

22 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said:

Oh for a John Eustace or Geraint Williams but I don't see anyone in the squad who could be our enforcer.

Jake Rooney. 

[Jimbo Ram]

17 minutes ago, Magicman said:

Oduroh 

So Knight not at RB then, a confusing post ?

[BramcoteRam84]

22 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

Let’s be honest, a manager with experience and understanding of League 1 football would have this group of players flying.

Individual brilliance is bailing Rosenior out at the moment.

Yeah it’s really helped him in the away games where we’ve pretty much played everyone off the park. 

[Magicman]

2 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

So Knight not at RB then, a confusing post ?

No it is not he plays in midfield replacing hourihane... why is that confusing 

[Jimbo Ram]

Just now, Magicman said:

No it is not he plays in midfield replacing hourihane... why is that confusing 

Read your post, Knight back at RB….

[Comrade 86]

5 hours ago, Carl Sagan said:

Despicable decision by Rosenior to drop our joint top scorer and the player that makes the whole system work. Hope I'm wrong but with Louie unfairly consigned to the bench, fully expect it'll be another case of Derby nil.

You ok babes? x 

[DCFC1388]

1 hour ago, jimtastic56 said:

Did warn Liam last Thursday. But I was sat watching the Papa Johns game in the week and wondered why we weren’t resting more players.

There is a rule in how many players you have to play from previous games

[BramcoteRam84]

Very grumpy angry and frustrated today. From the first minute we were second best today, 2-0 up due to individual brilliance and being clinical. Anyone blaming Rosenior saying this was a result of how he managed the game I’m sorry, you’re talking complete and utter nonsense. The subs did not change the game it followed the same pattern. We were second best in the first half, and at the start of the second, he brought Didzy off because he’s not ready for the full 90 and he brought Thompson on as an additional midfielder to try and gain control of the game. If Thompson played how he can and how he has in the league cup and in the Papa John’s, it could’ve worked. It didn’t work because he was equally off it, as was Sibley. 
 

We needed to hang on for longer but they got a bit of luck for the Whittaker goal, squirmed under Cashin and sat perfectly for him. It gave them the hope to further push on, then they had more luck with their equaliser which looked miles offside, before a Cashin error gives them the winner. No management to blame during the game (you can always look at the set up and build up to the game) players not at it and further hindered by poor officiating. Plymouth deserved all their luck though as they were excellent, a good well drilled side with a clear identity and evidence of being together for a while. They will be in and around it this season.

Regarding Rosenior, he didn’t have the defensive options to change midfield today, Smith would’ve made a big difference. He went for Thompson, the only criticism is maybe he should’ve gone for Rooney. Thompson has done ok in the games he’s played this season and he’s been with us since last season, Rooney has been with us 5 mins, what message does that send to Thompson if he brings Rooney on instead? Right call but Thompson didn’t play well when he came on, which means next time we’re in this situation and there isn’t a senior option available then Rooney needs to be the go to ahead of Thompson. 

We need to remember this team has been pulled together in about 6 weeks, had less preseason than everyone else and we’re coming up against competitive sides who have been together much longer. I wasn’t expecting us to be playing teams off the park every game at this point. In all the other games I’ve seen I’ve seen potential of what we’re capable of.

Today we were just bad and we move on still in and around the top 6 which is decent considering where we were just 6-7 weeks ago.

[Chesterfield_Ram]

8 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

There is a rule in how many players you have to play from previous games

it’s 4 players who:

started the last game

or in the top 10 appearances in the team

or over 40 first team games

or on loan from a team with a category 1 academy 

When the competition first started I’m sure some teams would start the gk who played the last game then substitute him straight away. If I’m right rose I or picked 6 players who qualified so there’s room for more changes. Then again it’s a competition that we can realistically win; something we haven’t done often in recent years.

[Chesterfield_Ram]

I agree with most of what you’ve said. While we were second best in the first half I felt we were competitive, unlike the second half where we were outclassed physically, technically and tactically. Watching the first half I felt we had a game plan, whereas the second half felt like it was pass the ball to wildsmith and he can boot it forward. I felt the team were best when didzy was bringing the ball down and playing it out, but after he was brought off the ball kept coming straight back every time. I don’t want to sound like I’m knocking Rosenior because he’s doing a fantastic job with the resources available, but could osula have taken over this role? Then again if I was manager I’d take derby out of league 1 … and into league 2. 

[DavesaRam]

That was a terrific game of football for the neutrals. 

But I'm not a neutral! In many ways it was disappointing, mainly because we shoudn't lose from 2 - 0 ahead. And unlike many I thought we at least matched them in the first half. I expected them to give us a tough game, and they proved to be the best visiting team we have seen at Pride Park this season. They had a couple of good chances in the first half, but we had more chances than we took as well. 

For a change we started the second half pretty well, but their first goal threw a spanner in the works. It gave Plymouth a lift, and knocked us back. Rosenior's substitutions did make a difference, and I like a few on here am baffled by the way Sibley is being used, or more likely misused. At last we have a manager who has responded to seeing him at his best in his best position. And yet again, we have a manager who blathers on about people earing their shirt, and keeping by how they perform, and then contradicts his words but dropping the guy after a string of good performances. And instead of putting him in McGoldrick's place, he stuck him out wide, despite numerous previous managers proving that doesn't work. Having said that, Sibley started poorly today, and didn't achieve much until we were pushing on at the end, when he started running the ball into the area. At least twice he could have gone down over the challenges being made on him in the area, but his maturity is showing through because he chose not to. Or he decided that the only players who get free-kicks for going down at the slightest of contacts play for the opposition. 

I am not surprised that McGoldrick got substituted, because he was running around flat out for most of the time he was on the pitch. He put a huge amount of effort in, to the point that I was worried he was going to injure himself by pushing too hard too soon. He actually played really, really well. Hourihane continues to disappoint. He has the air of someone the game revolves around, but unfortunately it doesn't revolve very far. Maybe we put Rooney in at DM, and push Max Bird into Hourihane's position.

I had started to call Erin "King Cashin", especially for his first half performance, so his sloppy mistake for the winning goal was rather a shame. NML's goal was genius in actin. There was nothing there when he got the ball o the edge of the box with almost the entire defence in front of him. But like a thief in the night he silently picked several locks and got past all their defences to go clear on goal. A superb effort, to follow the most satisfying goal at Pride Park for ages! The crowd response to him was tremendous!

And although Plymouth's first goal knocked the stuffing out of us, and the substitutions didn't help, the match officials played their part as well, and I have to disagree with Jono on this. I am not clutching at straws. The ref had been fairly even-handed in the first half, but there was a deja-vue feel in the second half, where it had the appearance of the ref having had his regulation bollocking from the EFL for being even-handed. Just when we were trying to play our way back into the match, we went into a 10 - 15 minute period where we only had to breathe on a Plymouth player for a free-kick to be awarded. McGoldrick was booked for what was his first foul, and it wasn't for a cynical, professional foul to prevent an attack, because it just outside the Plymouth area. Very harsh. We had the bizarre situation where a clear foul on a Derby player just inside our half saw the free-kick be awarded to Plymouth, and then re-awarded to Derby. We had two attacks where we were clean through on goal, only for the ref to pull play back for a free kick, with no advantage played. And we had Osula, who looks good, won the ball and was in on goal only for the ref to blow for a free-kick. Apparently Osula having his shirt pulled off his back is a foul on the Plymouth defender! There were lots more, and it all had the effect of making sure we didn't get back into our stride.

In the end, though, cutting out sloppy mistakes, and a bit of "Row Z" technique to see the game out would have made a huge difference today, and we could have had a great result against a very good side, who thankfully didn't result to the usual bus-parking or thug football. And the unity in the crowd is great to see - singing is starting to come from all around the ground, and the bounce virus is starting to spread a swell, even into the North stand, and the boxes! Keep it up, you fans!

[angieram]

1 hour ago, sage said:

The main selection/substitution issue today was all the older, experienced players, who may run out of gas, started and all the subs were inexperienced. 

We finished the game with three outfield players over 21.

Lack of game management from LR and the players. 

Onward and upwards though 

 

This.

We would have been better in the first half with someone to run at their defenders, and better in the second half with some more experienced heads on the pitch. 

[CornwallRam]

The subs weakened the flanks. They then played triangles round our midfield and we had no answer. It wasn't the players that came on, it was the positions they were played in. 

Although we weren't dominant before the subs, we were competitive. Afterwards, we were just poor.

[Jourdan]

1 hour ago, BramcoteRam84 said:

Yeah it’s really helped him in the away games where we’ve pretty much played everyone off the park. 

We are six points better off because of moments of individual brilliance.

The team hasn’t been functioning well enough to win the majority of our league games, hence why we have dropped ten points and it could have been more.

Does it bode well that we have ‘played everyone off the park’ away from home and only come away with two points from nine?

Morecambe and Lincoln away will tell us a lot. If we come firing back, panic over. But if not, it could suggest that we’re in for a long, frustrating season.

[Wolfie20]

5 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

We are six points better off because of moments of individual brilliance.

The team hasn’t been functioning well enough to win the majority of our league games, hence why we have dropped ten points and it could have been more.

Does it bode well that we have ‘played everyone off the park’ away from home and only come away with two points from nine?

Morecambe and Lincoln away will tell us a lot. If we come firing back, panic over. But if not, it could suggest that we’re in for a long, frustrating season.

Panic??? Who's panicking?

[Gritstone Ram]

I’m sure their second goal was off side.

[Jimbo Ram]

5 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

We are six points better off because of moments of individual brilliance.

The team hasn’t been functioning well enough to win the majority of our league games, hence why we have dropped ten points and it could have been more.

Does it bode well that we have ‘played everyone off the park’ away from home and only come away with two points from nine?

Morecambe and Lincoln away will tell us a lot. If we come firing back, panic over. But if not, it could suggest that we’re in for a long, frustrating season.

I am not going to be frustrated, just going to enjoy the ride ??

[Jimbo Ram]

Just now, Gritstone Ram said:

I’m sure their second goal was off side.

It did look it, but so did our first….

[PistoldPete]

28 minutes ago, DavesaRam said:

That was a terrific game of football for the neutrals. 

But I'm not a neutral! In many ways it was disappointing, mainly because we shoudn't lose from 2 - 0 ahead. And unlike many I thought we at least matched them in the first half. I expected them to give us a tough game, and they proved to be the best visiting team we have seen at Pride Park this season. They had a couple of good chances in the first half, but we had more chances than we took as well. 

For a change we started the second half pretty well, but their first goal threw a spanner in the works. It gave Plymouth a lift, and knocked us back. Rosenior's substitutions did make a difference, and I like a few on here am baffled by the way Sibley is being used, or more likely misused. At last we have a manager who has responded to seeing him at his best in his best position. And yet again, we have a manager who blathers on about people earing their shirt, and keeping by how they perform, and then contradicts his words but dropping the guy after a string of good performances. And instead of putting him in McGoldrick's place, he stuck him out wide, despite numerous previous managers proving that doesn't work. Having said that, Sibley started poorly today, and didn't achieve much until we were pushing on at the end, when he started running the ball into the area. At least twice he could have gone down over the challenges being made on him in the area, but his maturity is showing through because he chose not to. Or he decided that the only players who get free-kicks for going down at the slightest of contacts play for the opposition. 

I am not surprised that McGoldrick got substituted, because he was running around flat out for most of the time he was on the pitch. He put a huge amount of effort in, to the point that I was worried he was going to injure himself by pushing too hard too soon. He actually played really, really well. Hourihane continues to disappoint. He has the air of someone the game revolves around, but unfortunately it doesn't revolve very far. Maybe we put Rooney in at DM, and push Max Bird into Hourihane's position.

I had started to call Erin "King Cashin", especially for his first half performance, so his sloppy mistake for the winning goal was rather a shame. NML's goal was genius in actin. There was nothing there when he got the ball o the edge of the box with almost the entire defence in front of him. But like a thief in the night he silently picked several locks and got past all their defences to go clear on goal. A superb effort, to follow the most satisfying goal at Pride Park for ages! The crowd response to him was tremendous!

And although Plymouth's first goal knocked the stuffing out of us, and the substitutions didn't help, the match officials played their part as well, and I have to disagree with Jono on this. I am not clutching at straws. The ref had been fairly even-handed in the first half, but there was a deja-vue feel in the second half, where it had the appearance of the ref having had his regulation bollocking from the EFL for being even-handed. Just when we were trying to play our way back into the match, we went into a 10 - 15 minute period where we only had to breathe on a Plymouth player for a free-kick to be awarded. McGoldrick was booked for what was his first foul, and it wasn't for a cynical, professional foul to prevent an attack, because it just outside the Plymouth area. Very harsh. We had the bizarre situation where a clear foul on a Derby player just inside our half saw the free-kick be awarded to Plymouth, and then re-awarded to Derby. We had two attacks where we were clean through on goal, only for the ref to pull play back for a free kick, with no advantage played. And we had Osula, who looks good, won the ball and was in on goal only for the ref to blow for a free-kick. Apparently Osula having his shirt pulled off his back is a foul on the Plymouth defender! There were lots more, and it all had the effect of making sure we didn't get back into our stride.

In the end, though, cutting out sloppy mistakes, and a bit of "Row Z" technique to see the game out would have made a huge difference today, and we could have had a great result against a very good side, who thankfully didn't result to the usual bus-parking or thug football. And the unity in the crowd is great to see - singing is starting to come from all around the ground, and the bounce virus is starting to spread a swell, even into the North stand, and the boxes! Keep it up, you fans!

As our chief ref complainer I am surprised you didn't mention that their second goal was offside. 

I mean it looked it in real time (clearly in an offside position when he scored) , and having seen the replay I think pretty clear he looked offside when the ball was played too. 

[nottingram]

6 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

We are six points better off because of moments of individual brilliance.

The team hasn’t been functioning well enough to win the majority of our league games, hence why we have dropped ten points and it could have been more.

Does it bode well that we have ‘played everyone off the park’ away from home and only come away with two points from nine?

Morecambe and Lincoln away will tell us a lot. If we come firing back, panic over. But if not, it could suggest that we’re in for a long, frustrating season.

So when we win it is individual brilliance? And when we play well but don’t win it’s the managers fault?

Interesting stuff.