Paul Warne

[Jimbo Ram]

18 minutes ago, Sweetness34 said:

We have a squad way above average (possibly the best?) in a division that is dreadful.

I honestly believe we're second in the league in spite of Paul Warne, not because of him. 

Someone like Nathan Jones, whether you like him or not, would have us top of this division as we'd see games out.

And we wouldn't have the best Centre Half at the club playing left back

Agree with that but substitute Jones for another young, bright intelligent coach who knows what he wants 🤔🤔🤔

[i-Ram]

4 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

Pragmatic would be getting the best out of your (supposedly) limited resources. Warne doesn't do that he sends a team out to, as he sees it. counter the opposition and hopes to get the best out of the players where-ever it is he plays them.

Why did Cashin start at left back and not Sibley who we know can play there? That would have been pragmatic. Instead we have to set up a formation to allow Bradley to play in a 3 at the back, why? That isn't pragmatic when we have played better playing a four of Nyambe Nelson Cashin and Fozzy/Sibley/Elder.

It isn't pragmatism at all.

I joked last night that Warne was scared of Bradley - I think it was @Anag Ram Who suggested he loved him.

When I said Warne was scared of him. I didn’t mean in a physical sense, I meant more of a relationship power fear. He brought Bradley to be his big summer signing, and his leader (although didn’t have the balls to name his captain). As we know he started poorly, and Warne had no option but not to play him. However, he got a chance to get back in with Fozzy’s injury and although he hasn’t been great it seems, he has had a couple of solid games. However, if you are playing a back four, which I think we should it’s Nelson and Cashin at the back every day of the week on merit. However, last night Cashin finds himself at left back. I think Warne is scared to drop him even though 90% of the fanbase would. I can imagine Bradley towering over Warne, saying don’t you even think about dropping me pal! It’s a perception, and I may be wide of the mark, but those are my rambling thoughts this lunchtime.

[Crewton]

27 minutes ago, Sweetness34 said:

We have a squad way above average (possibly the best?) in a division that is dreadful.

I honestly believe we're second in the league in spite of Paul Warne, not because of him. 

Someone like Nathan Jones, whether you like him or not, would have us top of this division as we'd see games out.

And we wouldn't have the best Centre Half at the club playing left back

You're putting allot of faith in a manager who's record is poor anywhere but Luton.

[tinman]

10 minutes ago, Crewton said:

You're putting allot of faith in a manager who's record is poor anywhere but Luton.

And by all accounts is a grade A k*******

[Premier ram]

3 hours ago, Lokidoki said:

Totally agree, not the players fault. Tactical naivety. Wildsmith was in error but the situation should not have arisen had Warne not got the team shapeless. These are errors you see with managers of 8 year olds on the Racecourse on a Sunday.

it happens too frequently to be accidental, this is what PW and his team is paid for.  Unfortunately too much belief and too little ability. No admittance of errors.  The list gets longer I’m afraid.

Oh right so last night wasn’t the players fault, so it’s Warne and his staff to blame for continually losing control of the ball , half hearted challenges , misplaced passes aplenty, little attempt to win the ball back after losing it I could go on , you and others on here keep using your pathetic excuses to keep bashing the manager

[Chris_Martin]

2 hours ago, Rich84 said:

Honestly, there is so much tripe posted in here after a defeat it is laughable!

We've lost back to back league games for the 1st time.

We are 2nd in the table despite having to deal with a lack of attacking options.

Yes, we would all like to see more flair, more attacking football, but we just don't have the personnel for it atm, our financial restrictions have limited who we have been able to recruit and more importantly, IMO, who we were able to keep hold of.

I really wish we had played a 5 at the back last night with the lack of a left back being available, Sibley at LWB and Wilson at RWB would have given us more attacking options IMO, but he chose to play a 4 with Cashin at LB, a 4 that the vast majority are screaming for despite the personnel not being available.

No matter how poor the football is perceived to be by some, we ONLY lost to stupid, amateurish individual errors again, just like at the beginning of the season.

Is it Warnes fault that Wildsmith had another brainfart? We could see from the South stand that when the ball went forward he would never get there in time as he wasn't on his toes in anticipation, so he should have got close and stood his grd to make the player have to beat him.

Was it Warnes fault that the numerous mistakes from individuals cost us the 2nd goal, fgs, I came from us trying to pass it around at the back instead of launching it forwards (what most people complain about as Warne ball.... so it feels like all those moaners got what they deserved by trying to pass it around with league 1 players!).

I for 1 will be there on Saturday and give him my full support, despite not agreeing with some of his decisions,  after all, what do I know compared to the man that has us 2nd in the table?

And for all those that say any other manager would have us 1st, prove it, Where's the evidence? Who's to say we wouldn't have lost more games? Or is it just your opinion, a bit like mine, so worthless other than being an opinion of a fan that has watched thousands of games but never had access to the inner workings of a club out of administration and the coaching badges to allow me to be on the training ground. 

 

 

We've lost back to back league games for the 3rd TIME UNDER WARNE.

We are 2nd in the table despite having to deal with a lack of attacking COACHING.

Yes, we would all like to see more flair, more attacking football, but we just don't have the MANAGER for it atm, our financial restrictions have limited US TO HAVING THE BEST SQUAD IN THE DIVISION and more importantly, IMO, who we were able to keep hold of.

I really wish we had played a 5 at the back last night with the lack of a left back being available, Sibley at LWB and Wilson at RWB would have given us more attacking options IMO, but he chose to play a 4 with Cashin at LB, a 4 that the vast majority are screaming for despite the personnel not being available. (Do you not think part of the problem is the constant changing of formations?)

No matter how poor the football is perceived to be by some, we ONLY lost to stupid, amateurish individual errors again, just like at the beginning of the season. (How did warne actually plan on scoring and winning this game other than getting a set piece or some good fortune from a cross ?  We created next to nothing and didn't even deserve to win it)

Is it Warnes fault that Wildsmith had another brainfart? We could see from the South stand that when the ball went forward he would never get there in time as he wasn't on his toes in anticipation, so he should have got close and stood his grd to make the player have to beat him. (It's warnes fault we're not controlling games at all, therefore letting our opponents run into our box)

Was it Warnes fault that the numerous mistakes from individuals cost us the 2nd goal, fgs, I came from us trying to pass it around at the back instead of launching it forwards (what most people complain about as Warne ball.... so it feels like all those moaners got what they deserved by trying to pass it around with league 1 players!). (Cashin, Nyambe, Bradley, Nelson, Vickers, Forsyth, Elder, Bird, Hourihane, Fornah, Adams, NML, Knight, Didzy, Smith, etc, have all come from playing championship football. They are not league 1 players)

I for 1 will be there on Saturday and give him my full support, despite not agreeing with some of his decisions,  after all, what do I know compared to the man that has us 2nd in the table? 

And for all those that say any other manager would have us 1st, prove it, Where's the evidence? Who's to say we wouldn't have lost more games? Or is it just your opinion, a bit like mine, so worthless other than being an opinion of a fan that has watched thousands of games but never had access to the inner workings of a club out of administration and the coaching badges to allow me to be on the training ground. (For you and anyone else saying warne isn't holding us back, prove it, wheres the evidence?)

 

[BramcoteRam84]

57 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said:

I don't necessarily have a problem with taking Smith and Adams off if they're struggling for fitness or whatever, it's more the way the whole thing was handled.  We had 2 major shifts in system during the game - from 4231, to 352 when Sibley came on, to 433 (I think) when CBT came on.  Each one of those shifts, we ended up with less players in central midfield - I think Bird was basically playing on his own in there by the end (it looked like he was at the base of a 433, with Sibley and Barkhuizen in front of him, but it was very muddled by that stage).  So each time we change system, we get further and further away from what actually worked early on (passing through midfield into Gayle's feet) and leaned more and more into what really wasn't working (endless head-tennis as we just and get the ball quickly to the bunch of guys milling around up front).  And that's on top of the general confusion caused by players repeatedly moving between positions during the game.

If we needed to take off Smith and Adams, we had Thompson, Fornah and Sibley as midfield options on the bench.  And if we weren't willing to use them, then why were they on thereat all?

I think the endless head tennis came about from Charlton imposing their game on us, and us not handling it to then impose our game of the first half on them. They ratcheted up the physicality and brought on bigger and bigger players. If people get disillusioned watching our football they’d be suicidal watching Charlton play, Christ almighty. The most route one team I’ve seen in a long long time. 

[duncanjwitham]

1 minute ago, BramcoteRam84 said:

I think the endless head tennis came about from Charlton imposing their game on us, and us not handling it to then impose our game of the first half on them. They ratcheted up the physicality and brought on bigger and bigger players. If people get disillusioned watching our football they’d be suicidal watching Charlton play, Christ almighty. The most route one team I’ve seen in a long long time. 

Yeah, I'm sure we weren't intending to play head-tennis for the whole second half, but effectively playing Max Bird in midfield on his own isn't going to solve that problem, it's going to make it worse.

[LeedsCityRam]

4 hours ago, Kernow said:

I think if we are facing a third year in League One, then that’s the time to make the change. When we still sit in the automatic places, have a favourable run-in, and a go in the play-offs if we fall just short, then sacking him isn’t even going to be thought about.

I would have to agree with this even though I would make a change irrespective of the final outcome come May.

Reality is we are too deep into this promotion push & a change for the last 11 games is likely to cause so much upheaval as to totally derail our chances irrespective of how gifted any caretaker manager would be (I'm also struggling to think of anyone available who would galvanise us that quickly). Given the paucity of top 6 opposition, there is still a chance of going up & at this stage, I would take any sort of promotion even if inevitably we're going to need a complete overhaul should we go up.

Financially it would clearly be very expensive & that doesn't strike me as wise until failure has been confirmed. I'd expect a full appraisal of the season & how Warne's managerial style fits with the long term plan of the club away from the emotional highs & lows of the season, before any action is taken.

[DCFC Kicks]

5 hours ago, Jourdan said:

People believe we have the best squad in the division and should be achieving more, but it doesn’t really add up. This is a League 1 group of players with the kind of limitations that are rampant at this level. Players don’t make the mistakes ours do and switch off in the way ours do with the same regularity in the Championship and above. 

And how would you stop players switching off in games? Maybe through coaching perhaps? by the coach? You know the job they're paid to do. 

It's not even true our players switch off anyway. Considering we got the majority of our players from the Championship, you're saying they just instantly lost they ability to stay switched on as soon as they got here? 

[Carl Sagan]

2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

The fact that he looked rather good as LFB last season, and when we needed one last night we got Cashin, has to be questioned. Obviously Sibley has done something wrong?

 

6 hours ago, Ramtastic ones said:

Warne set up as a 4-2-3-1. I have no issue with that, but why push Cashin to left back? He needs to be brave. Sibley has filled that role well on numerous occasions. Well has Bradley has played lately he should have been on the bench.

I don't like seeing Sibley at left back, but if Fozzy and Elder are injured and we're playing 4 at the back, then it has to be him. With the bonus of a goalscorer/attacking player in the team when, last night against Charlton we only really had two in NML and Gayle. Wilson was brought as a defender and although he can be very useful on the wing, I don't see him ever scoring many. Nathan Jones just had to nullify two players and hope we didn't score from a set piece. 

Warne said on Radio Derby after the game something to the effect that he thought about playing Sibley there, but he wanted to get all his best players on the pitch. That's not a quote - I'd have to listen to it back, but the truth is I can't be bothered to put myself through that again. So, Warne moved by far his best central defender out wide, and by only playing two attackers his strategy appeared to be to stay in the game and hope we nicked a goal from a set piece. Against a team without a win in 20+ games. I am desperate for Warne to get us promoted this season - I HATE us being in this league. But I would sack him at the end of the season either way, and bring in a better coach/tactician. 

 

[LittleEatonRam]

11 minutes ago, LeedsCityRam said:

I would have to agree with this even though I would make a change irrespective of the final outcome come May.

Reality is we are too deep into this promotion push & a change for the last 11 games is likely to cause so much upheaval as to totally derail our chances irrespective of how gifted any caretaker manager would be (I'm also struggling to think of anyone available who would galvanise us that quickly). Given the paucity of top 6 opposition, there is still a chance of going up & at this stage, I would take any sort of promotion even if inevitably we're going to need a complete overhaul should we go up.

Financially it would clearly be very expensive & that doesn't strike me as wise until failure has been confirmed. I'd expect a full appraisal of the season & how Warne's managerial style fits with the long term plan of the club away from the emotional highs & lows of the season, before any action is taken.

I agree with this.

Makes no sense to sack PW now with the league position and number of games left, but whatever the outcome of the season I wouldn't want him here for the next one - if we don't go up he would deserve the sack and if we do he'd be of zero use in the Championship.

[Jimbo Ram]

1 hour ago, Premier ram said:

Oh right so last night wasn’t the players fault, so it’s Warne and his staff to blame for continually losing control of the ball , half hearted challenges , misplaced passes aplenty, little attempt to win the ball back after losing it I could go on , you and others on here keep using your pathetic excuses to keep bashing the manager

If that is the case, give us some examples of what might be Warney’s fault 😊

[Ramfan1958]

53 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

We've lost back to back league games for the 3rd TIME UNDER WARNE.

We are 2nd in the table despite having to deal with a lack of attacking COACHING.

Yes, we would all like to see more flair, more attacking football, but we just don't have the MANAGER for it atm, our financial restrictions have limited US TO HAVING THE BEST SQUAD IN THE DIVISION and more importantly, IMO, who we were able to keep hold of.

I really wish we had played a 5 at the back last night with the lack of a left back being available, Sibley at LWB and Wilson at RWB would have given us more attacking options IMO, but he chose to play a 4 with Cashin at LB, a 4 that the vast majority are screaming for despite the personnel not being available. (Do you not think part of the problem is the constant changing of formations?)

No matter how poor the football is perceived to be by some, we ONLY lost to stupid, amateurish individual errors again, just like at the beginning of the season. (How did warne actually plan on scoring and winning this game other than getting a set piece or some good fortune from a cross ?  We created next to nothing and didn't even deserve to win it)

Is it Warnes fault that Wildsmith had another brainfart? We could see from the South stand that when the ball went forward he would never get there in time as he wasn't on his toes in anticipation, so he should have got close and stood his grd to make the player have to beat him. (It's warnes fault we're not controlling games at all, therefore letting our opponents run into our box)

Was it Warnes fault that the numerous mistakes from individuals cost us the 2nd goal, fgs, I came from us trying to pass it around at the back instead of launching it forwards (what most people complain about as Warne ball.... so it feels like all those moaners got what they deserved by trying to pass it around with league 1 players!). (Cashin, Nyambe, Bradley, Nelson, Vickers, Forsyth, Elder, Bird, Hourihane, Fornah, Adams, NML, Knight, Didzy, Smith, etc, have all come from playing championship football. They are not league 1 players)

I for 1 will be there on Saturday and give him my full support, despite not agreeing with some of his decisions,  after all, what do I know compared to the man that has us 2nd in the table? 

And for all those that say any other manager would have us 1st, prove it, Where's the evidence? Who's to say we wouldn't have lost more games? Or is it just your opinion, a bit like mine, so worthless other than being an opinion of a fan that has watched thousands of games but never had access to the inner workings of a club out of administration and the coaching badges to allow me to be on the training ground. (For you and anyone else saying warne isn't holding us back, prove it, wheres the evidence?)

 

Sibley as detarated massively under Warne check his goal record at Pride Park under the Bobble hat comedian 😆 .

We've had numerous very lucky wins and we have been in a false position for a long time.

 

I think with a better manager and this squad  we would be top of the league and also playing good football.!!!

It's utter garbage tripe under Warne it's the worst I've seen in over 55 years following the Rams.

He's lost the dressing room that's why bird is going , why would you leave Pride Park for Bristol? I tell you why because he sees no future under the bobble hat comedian. 

 

We loose Collins and replace him with a 5ft 8 midget when we wanted a bloody No 9 ,the balls goes up it comes straight back .

His decision making is pathetic tales Corey off last when he's playing well and we had some control in midfield suddenly it all goes wrong. One shot on target 87mins need we say anymore.

He can't motivate them  full stop,  he's a clown  and don't get me on the 5000 Meerkat he wanted at Barnsley.

 

Out now and we will win promotion stay and we don't. 

 

You choose !!!

[RoyMac5]

9 minutes ago, LittleEatonRam said:

I agree with this.

Makes no sense to sack PW now with the league position and number of games left, but whatever the outcome of the season I wouldn't want him here for the next one - if we don't go up he would deserve the sack and if we do he'd be of zero use in the Championship.

Except he might blow it again like last season? Plus it would allow a new manager chance to assess the out of contract players and decide how best to 'go forward'. I think if more fans could see something being built they would be more inclined to accept not getting promoted. Atm we have neither, no building for the future and no guarantee of promotion, just a decent opportunity (slightly better than last season). 

[trappatoni]

1 hour ago, tinman said:

And by all accounts is a grade A k*******

Strong words about statistically one of the best coaches in Europe...

[TINMANTED]

2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

The fact that he looked rather good as LFB last season, and when we needed one last night we got Cashin, has to be questioned. Obviously Sibley has done something wrong?

He breathes

[Shuff264]

2 hours ago, rammieib said:

Sensible post - so I'll pick it apart a little.

We are second because other teams are atrocious. We have the highest wage bill by a long way - of course that doesn't guarantee success but I do believe we have a number of very good player - its the way they are being told to execute their jobs which is the issue for me.

5 at the back - we struggle to create. 3 Centre backs, two wing backs who often become full backs and two holding midfielders - this is a recipe for not creating - as we have seen multiple times now.

So what/how has Wildsmith been coached by Andy Warrington. Surely after the debacle at Oxford, Wildsmith would have received coaching on what to do in that situation? So poor decision by Wildsmith especially as he delayed his coming out but not being coached very well is he.

Second goal - the pass form Wilson was poor - he gunned it to Ebou Adams but it was not on the ground. why as a team do we seem to put so much focus on getting the direction of the pass correct that anything over 15 yards seems to be a few bounces. Watch Man City play, watch Arsenal, watch Brighton - when they pass to each other the ball stays on the deck. This means the receiving player can control it immediately or make a first time pass more successfully. Wilson hammered it to Adams off the deck. So poor coaching for me again - not to mention the fact that Wilson went backwards. However - I don't have such an issue with that. However - Can you tell me how many times our players actually move into space? They don't - we're static as anything. This is one of the big changes to NML's game - he wants the ball to feet every time - a defender isn't worried about him (or literally anyone) on our team making a run into space.

I'm sorry - our football has been shambolic for most of the season. We win games IMO because we generally have better players who are able to pull bits of magic out and thus deliver - NML being a prime example. Worth noting that the top five contributing players offensively this year are all Rosenoir signings/Academy. (NML, CH, JC, MB and TB). Warne hasn't bought in, as yet, an offensive player able to make any impact in this team. I trust CBT will come good though.

My final point on the coaching (away from the head tennis) - literally how dated and old school is the tactic of when we get a set piece anywhere from about 20 yards inside our half, the tactic is literally put everyone up to their box and just chip a high ball in. That's park football stuff. I cannot remember that being anywhere near successful in goals we have scored this season. I genuinely thought I'd seen a change after Stevenage away - next game goal kicks were being taken short, same with free kicks - CH, MB, NML, EC, CN - they were all allowed to 'play football' - and then we started winning - but now, this has gone out of the window again - and not once did I see Warne last night telling the team to keep the ball on the deck.

if we scrape over the finish line, I'll be amazed but grateful - but with Warne there and his limited repertoire of coaching - we're screwed next season whichever league we are in.

To add to the set pieces, does anyone know how many goals we have scored from our long throws this season?

The success rate seems to be phenomenally poor, verging on pointless.

[Kernow]

55 minutes ago, LeedsCityRam said:

I would have to agree with this even though I would make a change irrespective of the final outcome come May.

I probably would too, but that won’t happen. If Clowes’ plan is to appoint a League One ‘promotion specialist’ purely to get out of the division, then get rid, he wouldn’t have been given a 4 year contract. I think that Warne will get sacked if we’re in a position similar to the one Sheffield Wednesday were in, but if we’re teetering on the edge of the relegation zone, he’ll still be here.

In an ideal world for everyone, Warne gets us promoted and then someone like his hometown club of Norwich thinks “we want him” and poach him off us. If we do go up, he will probably still be here at the end of his current contract as long as we are a mid-to-bottom half Championship side.

[tinman]

32 minutes ago, trappatoni said:

Strong words about statistically one of the best coaches in Europe...

What statistics?