Anyone else had enough?

[MadAmster]

6 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Cheltenham, the two main criticisms being:
1. Not bringing a goal scorer off the bench when we're struggling to score
2. The one-dimensional tactic of getting the ball out wide and crossing to Collins and Waghorn when they're surrounded by CBs who specialise in dealing with crosses.

Last night, there were a lot of positives. However, the two main negatives were:
1. Players tiring
2. Poor finishing from Collins
These both directly lead to Warne not using the bench because he doesn't trust young players. If he should even a little bit of trust in them, the team wouldn't have looked so tired during the last 15/20 mins, and we may have had a forward who was able to shoot. Those two criticisms go away.

Our 2nd. Collo couldn't get a shot away as the pass was behind him. Still manged to reach back and get is left foot to it. Ball went up in the air towards the far post where Bird headed it back. Good overhead from Collins but it hit the keeper, bounced out to Sibs who put it away. Collo's initial contact was as good as we could hope for given the poor quality of the pass. Bit of luck that it bounced up nicely for Bird to put back into the mix. Collo hit the target with his bicycle kick. He didn't do much wrong there...

Having said that, I can think of occasions in the last 2 games where he ought to have done better.

I get PW not wanting to play through the middle. I don't agree with it but I think I get it. If we had a Coldplay type of hold up, target man, going through the middle more would be a great idea. Collo isn't that type of player. Hence why PW prefers going down the outside and getting crosses in. With the inverted wingers last night we had other options and it worked. Play that again but with Waggy or Wash central and we can create more opportunities. Possibly even more so when JJ is fit.

[Carnero]

1 hour ago, Gaspode said:

I'm hardly reading the Derby section of the board at the moment - so sick of the bickering, pettiness and in-grained opinions. Most have already made their minds up and just want to reinforce their opinions by repeating the same old crap over and over again.....

We have a League One squad and a League One manager - bitching isn't going to change that....

Same here, lately I just find myself having a quick look to see if there's anything vaguely interesting to read, check the Academy thread, give some player ratings, then mark the forum as read and move on.

[MadAmster]

5 minutes ago, jameso said:

I think there could also be an element of wondering why those 11 other players on the pitch don't manage to frustrate other teams as successfully as they manage to frustrate us, and whether it could be down to things that our manager is (not) doing.

Anyone who has had enough may of course ignore this comment!

Whetever XI we select in whatever formation, they are going to have off days or face an opposition who grind out a 0-0 draw. It happens frequently in football, not just to Derby. Look up the recent Wolves v Citeh stats and think how frustrated Citeh fans will have been at their failure to score from 23 shots, 8 on target... and they are all top class internationals, including that rubbish Haaland lad who hasn't scored in the last 4 games. He needs dropping, doesn't he? 

We are not going to win every game. We are not going to steamroller every opponent. They are not going to roll over just because we are Derby. IMO, the major cause of the current disgruntlement is expectation among fans. There was an expectation we'd steamroller Cheltenham. We didn't. This sort of thing has been common to Derby teams over my lifetime and I've been watching them since 1961. Teams on a poor run of form tend to do well against us. We tend to do well against teams on long winning/unbeaten runs. I remember just a few years ago. We hadn't won for 8 or 9 games, the Red Dogs came to Pride park on a 20 odd game unbeaten run. We won 1-0.

Maybe this is the Derby Way? 

[ram59]

The constant vitriol is getting boring and depressing, things aren't perfect, that much is obvious, but many of us can see small steps in the right direction. Hopefully, with more players becoming available these small steps will continue and gather momentum. With a mostly fit squad, we have the capability to field a strong team using 16 players each week.

I feel that we're not far off, but need a little bit of luck and/or composure in the final third, together with eliminating stupid errors at the back. I seems like every goal we concede is a result of a defensive error and miss out putting games to bed through poor finishing or final balls.

Those days of togetherness seem to be just a distant memory, even when things weren't going quite to plan, we all stuck together. Now, I have the feeling that even if we played like Man City and won the league, there will be those still believing Warne is not the the man to do the job in the championship.

[AndyinLiverpool]

f*** off

[sage]

Maybe if we just offered alternative views and didn't attack each other it would be better. It's easy to get in long drawn out arguments on the internet, but if we can all try not to cast the first stone, it would make this a better place (read this again with any Carpenters song in the background) 

[Tyler Durden]

2 hours ago, Topram said:

Properly get pelters for this as 80% seem to have made their mind up over Warne, but anyone else just had enough with the constant negativity towards the players and staff? It’s relentless.

Even after last nights win I’m seeing people try and twist it negatively, overall last night we played faster tempo had chances and won end off, so why the negativity?

Warnes come out and said last night about blocking outside noise out, really think knocking them will help? It’ll only make it worse, 5 in 11 for Collins decent return, what’s booing him and giving him stick going to do? Why can’t we get behind them? We’re in league 1 we won’t have world beaters that will do everything so perfectly. 
 

1 defeat in 10 due to some terrible refereeing it’s not anywhere near as bad as people are making out, it’s as if we’ve won 1 in 10.

I can be as negative as anyone and as annoyed as anyone when we drop points etc but it’s the bigger picture move on we go again, It’s not an easy league like people expect, Sunderland sheff united Ipswich Bolton etc all got stuck for time, and probably only Bolton started in a worse rebuild situation as us… 

it’s absolutely draining all the constant ‘get him gone’ ‘whose next’ ‘he’s just a P.E teacher’ I’ve missed 1 away game and 1 home and it’s honestly making me not want to go, Blackpool people singing ‘warne your football is sh*t’ then 5 minutes later singing his name, honestly think if people stop over reacting and seemingly wanting Warne to fail we could get out of this league this year. Rant over roll on the draining stick that’ll come…

I got fed up weeks ago

At the end of last night's game the Derby fans were chanting Paul Warnes Black and White Army. 

Coming onto the forum immediately afterwards you'd have thought Warne was the devil incarnate the way the same suspects discussed the performance.

There's a definite disconnect and what's so annoying is the constant stream of negativity from those same posters whom revel in picking out the criticisms of the team and manager even when we win as though it's a personal hobby and giving no credence to any positives. That's a skill in itself. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Tyler Durden

[Jimbo Ram]

2 hours ago, Topram said:

Properly get pelters for this as 80% seem to have made their mind up over Warne, but anyone else just had enough with the constant negativity towards the players and staff? It’s relentless.

Even after last nights win I’m seeing people try and twist it negatively, overall last night we played faster tempo had chances and won end off, so why the negativity?

Warnes come out and said last night about blocking outside noise out, really think knocking them will help? It’ll only make it worse, 5 in 11 for Collins decent return, what’s booing him and giving him stick going to do? Why can’t we get behind them? We’re in league 1 we won’t have world beaters that will do everything so perfectly. 
 

1 defeat in 10 due to some terrible refereeing it’s not anywhere near as bad as people are making out, it’s as if we’ve won 1 in 10.

I can be as negative as anyone and as annoyed as anyone when we drop points etc but it’s the bigger picture move on we go again, It’s not an easy league like people expect, Sunderland sheff united Ipswich Bolton etc all got stuck for time, and probably only Bolton started in a worse rebuild situation as us… 

it’s absolutely draining all the constant ‘get him gone’ ‘whose next’ ‘he’s just a P.E teacher’ I’ve missed 1 away game and 1 home and it’s honestly making me not want to go, Blackpool people singing ‘warne your football is sh*t’ then 5 minutes later singing his name, honestly think if people stop over reacting and seemingly wanting Warne to fail we could get out of this league this year. Rant over roll on the draining stick that’ll come…

Not ANOTHER Warney thread 🤣 Couldn’t this have been added to one of the others. Just about had enough…

[Foreveram]

30 minutes ago, sage said:

Maybe if we just offered alternative views and didn't attack each other it would be better. It's easy to get in long drawn out arguments on the internet, but if we can all try not to cast the first stone, it would make this a better place (read this again with any Carpenters song in the background) 

Hurting each other?😂

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, sage said:

Maybe if we just offered alternative views and didn't attack each other it would be better. It's easy to get in long drawn out arguments on the internet, but if we can all try not to cast the first stone, it would make this a better place (read this again with any Carpenters song in the background) 

Agreed. Perhaps the biggest drag in all of this is - rather than thinking before pressing Submit "Have I made a fair and reasonable point here?" - having to think instead "Am I going to be upsetting anyone who doesn't agree with me?" - which is ridiculous. It's not helped by the apparent perception that there are only 2 groups: 'Warne In' and 'Warne Out'. There clearly are not, though they may be the loudest groups. Most of us are more pragmatic about the situation. 

But it's a forum and everyone can find their own solutions if they don't like what other folks are posting on it.

[davenportram]

1 hour ago, oodledoodle said:

Warne said in his interview last night that he had let the players know that they and the coaching staff need to improve if they want success. Why's he allowed to say it but the fans aren't?

That’s his job and to let fans know he’s doing it

[DiggerB]

2 hours ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

I reckon the people that are criticising posters for criticising performances are equally annoyed at being criticised for criticising posters for criticising performances.

https://youtu.be/7gK5iPbd7Hg?si=mPIavwJvA6E4RMGg

[DiggerB]

1 hour ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

f*** off

Fair point, well made!

[DiggerB]

1 hour ago, sage said:

It's easy to get in long drawn out arguments on the internet

No it isn’t! 😜

[Eddie]

2 hours ago, oodledoodle said:

Warne said in his interview last night that he had let the players know that they and the coaching staff need to improve if they want success. Why's he allowed to say it but the fans aren't?

Perhaps he ought to consider asking whether we need improvement from the fans?

And if that touches a nerve, tough titty you whingeing lot.

[MackworthRamIsGod]

2 hours ago, Topram said:

Properly get pelters for this as 80% seem to have made their mind up over Warne, but anyone else just had enough with the constant negativity towards the players and staff? It’s relentless.

Even after last nights win I’m seeing people try and twist it negatively, overall last night we played faster tempo had chances and won end off, so why the negativity?

Warnes come out and said last night about blocking outside noise out, really think knocking them will help? It’ll only make it worse, 5 in 11 for Collins decent return, what’s booing him and giving him stick going to do? Why can’t we get behind them? We’re in league 1 we won’t have world beaters that will do everything so perfectly. 
 

1 defeat in 10 due to some terrible refereeing it’s not anywhere near as bad as people are making out, it’s as if we’ve won 1 in 10.

I can be as negative as anyone and as annoyed as anyone when we drop points etc but it’s the bigger picture move on we go again, It’s not an easy league like people expect, Sunderland sheff united Ipswich Bolton etc all got stuck for time, and probably only Bolton started in a worse rebuild situation as us… 

it’s absolutely draining all the constant ‘get him gone’ ‘whose next’ ‘he’s just a P.E teacher’ I’ve missed 1 away game and 1 home and it’s honestly making me not want to go, Blackpool people singing ‘warne your football is sh*t’ then 5 minutes later singing his name, honestly think if people stop over reacting and seemingly wanting Warne to fail we could get out of this league this year. Rant over roll on the draining stick that’ll come…

Warne is a lovely man.

[Walkley Ram]

12 minutes ago, davenportram said:

That’s his job and to let fans know he’s doing it

Fair play to him for acknowledging it and not doubling down. I've always thought he has great character, even if I don't agree with his footballing decisions sometimes.

[Loughborough Ram]

I don't really contribute much these days because the forum lacks fun.

If there are one or two threads regarding the manager and the performances then it's easy to ignore, if you want to, but looking at half a dozen threads with slightly different wording while essentially saying exactly the same thing is off putting in my opinion. 

I'm somewhere in the middle when it comes to the manager, but I'm definitely on the side of those that think the current state of this forum, due to the over the top negativity, is not the best.

[ilkleyram]

1 hour ago, sage said:

Maybe if we just offered alternative views and didn't attack each other it would be better. It's easy to get in long drawn out arguments on the internet, but if we can all try not to cast the first stone, it would make this a better place (read this again with any Carpenters song in the background) 

Perhaps There (should be) a kind of hush all over the forum because For all we know we’re Hurting each other. On the Rainy days and Mondays many of us just seem to want Yesterday once more. It won’t be long before we’re Top of the world again. We’ve only just begun after all. 

[DiggerB]

Warne knows the pressure is on. When life is rosey it’s easy to make good decisions. When life’s difficult it can be much harder to make sound judgments and humans can tend to fall back on what they know, even if it’s ultimately unhelpful. I see this daily in my job. We all have options and choices but when things are tough we look for safety, and a lot of those choices don’t seem palatable or possible.
 

Warne wants to progress as far as he can in the Pizza cup as success breed success, Hence why he opted for what he knows. Not for one second saying the Academy lads shouldn’t have got more/some minutes last night, but I can see why he did what he did. Long-term though I would like Warne to dip his toe outside his circle of safety, as I think the rewards probably outweigh the negatives of a loss/stale performance.