Ram@Lincoln Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, BaaLocks said: It does just feel a little strange, we are days away from going out of business due (primarily) to a spate of signings that we couldn't afford (Johnson, Butterfield, Olsson, Blackman, etc) and now we are signing the marquee name for the division. What happened to "we will need years to consolidate"? I mean, I don't want us to wear a hair shirt just to punish ourselves but at the same time this hardly feels like either learning our lessons or respecting the many creditors who have suffered as a result of our being in administration. I know, I'm piddling all over your chips but it feels like the last thing I was expecting this week. The difference this time around is that the club will be paying affordable wages within the agreed business plan, they won't be paying huge fees to their agents and all these deals are all without the ludicrous transfer fees being on free transfers. The names you mentioned are reported to have cost over £15m in fees, plus whatever agent fees and then mammoth wages. This time is different. Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 45 minutes ago, Big Trav said: An Irish duo is set to arrive Half of the Nolans ? S8TY, Big Trav, Turk Thrust and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, BaaLocks said: It does just feel a little strange, we are days away from going out of business due (primarily) to a spate of signings that we couldn't afford (Johnson, Butterfield, Olsson, Blackman, etc) and now we are signing the marquee name for the division. What happened to "we will need years to consolidate"? I mean, I don't want us to wear a hair shirt just to punish ourselves but at the same time this hardly feels like either learning our lessons or respecting the many creditors who have suffered as a result of our being in administration. I know, I'm piddling all over your chips but it feels like the last thing I was expecting this week. If it fits within the business plan (and it has to otherwise the EFL will not sign off on it) then what is the problem? Our squad is bare bones and we cannot rely solely on finding lower league gems for pennies, getting loans from mates and playing the kids. We have to bring in some form of quality, Hourihane could be that quality if we get a deal done. Rammy03, LeedsRam1999, Crewton and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 59 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: To suggest we shouldn't be allowed to sign anyone good is mental. You've summed up that forum perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Not sure I'm understanding the concerns raised about signing Hourihane. Free transfer, so we won't lose value on the player unlike the many over 25s we signed under Morris' ownership. Wages would have to be limited because of the EFL business plan. Desperately need an experienced midfield, him and Bird could work well together Will Hughes Hair and Premier ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Just a quick reminder about the EFL approved business plan. They were fine with our accounting for years until they decided not to. I have zero trust them doing their job properly. Steve How Hard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 As oppo fans keep gleefully stressing "all signings are subject to EFL approval" so, if the EFL approve them, they've got no reason to complain. TBH the more they whine and blub, more I'm enjoying it and, as long as we stay within the constraints that the EFL has imposed on us, I'm going to enjoy it to the hilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, BaaLocks said: It does just feel a little strange, we are days away from going out of business due (primarily) to a spate of signings that we couldn't afford (Johnson, Butterfield, Olsson, Blackman, etc) and now we are signing the marquee name for the division. What happened to "we will need years to consolidate"? I mean, I don't want us to wear a hair shirt just to punish ourselves but at the same time this hardly feels like either learning our lessons or respecting the many creditors who have suffered as a result of our being in administration. I know, I'm piddling all over your chips but it feels like the last thing I was expecting this week. Blimey talk above depression post of the season CBRammette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, hintonsboots said: Half of the Nolans ? I think I would go for the bottom half’s. Especially with that Colleen. She has got a gob on her. LeedsRam1999 and Mostyn6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, BaaLocks said: It does just feel a little strange, we are days away from going out of business due (primarily) to a spate of signings that we couldn't afford (Johnson, Butterfield, Olsson, Blackman, etc) and now we are signing the marquee name for the division. What happened to "we will need years to consolidate"? I mean, I don't want us to wear a hair shirt just to punish ourselves but at the same time this hardly feels like either learning our lessons or respecting the many creditors who have suffered as a result of our being in administration. I know, I'm piddling all over your chips but it feels like the last thing I was expecting this week. If it was any other season, I'd agree. The difference is, the EFL will be watching our moves like a hawk. There's a strict business plan in place, with penalties (see Birmingham City) if we go beyond it. We can't be offering silly contracts any more. I think the best evidence of this is that we've only signed both Cashin and Thompson - two players very highly rated by Derby - to only 2 year contracts. I can only imagine we'd have signed them up for 4 if we could. As I put in an earlier post - this leads me to believe that these players are very likely to have had better financial offers, but with less of a chance of regular first team football. That gets a big thumbs up from me. These are the players that you want angieram and Curtains 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, BaaLocks said: It does just feel a little strange, we are days away from going out of business due (primarily) to a spate of signings that we couldn't afford (Johnson, Butterfield, Olsson, Blackman, etc) and now we are signing the marquee name for the division. What happened to "we will need years to consolidate"? I mean, I don't want us to wear a hair shirt just to punish ourselves but at the same time this hardly feels like either learning our lessons or respecting the many creditors who have suffered as a result of our being in administration. I know, I'm piddling all over your chips but it feels like the last thing I was expecting this week. It’s a fair point, but like your position with Russia I don’t think you are going to have too many others saying here here. BaaLocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Crewton said: As oppo fans keep gleefully stressing "all signings are subject to EFL approval" so, if the EFL approve them, they've got no reason to complain. TBH the more they whine and blub, more I'm enjoying it and, as long as we stay within the constraints that the EFL has imposed on us, I'm going to enjoy it to the hilt. It would be absolutely mental for the club to just go off and do deals and announce them publicly without knowing for a fact they are going to get approved by the EFL. If that scenario ever played out I would be absolutely astounded. Crewton and Andrew3000 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: If it was any other season, I'd agree. The difference is, the EFL will be watching our moves like a hawk. There's a strict business plan in place, with penalties (see Birmingham City) if we go beyond it. We can't be offering silly contracts any more. I think the best evidence of this is that we've only signed both Cashin and Thompson - two players very highly rated by Derby - to only 2 year contracts. I can only imagine we'd have signed them up for 4 if we could. As I put in an earlier post - this leads me to believe that these players are very likely to have had better financial offers, but with less of a chance of regular first team football. That gets a big thumbs up from me. These are the players that you want Is our wages budget not an overall cap against revenue? Would losing Lawrence on £37k a week to be replaced by Hourihane on say £12k a week not be permissible, providing we remain within the overall wages:revenue limit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said: Is our wages budget not an overall cap against revenue? Would losing Lawrence on £37k a week to be replaced by Hourihane on say £12k a week not be permissible, providing we remain within the overall wages:revenue limit? If that’s the case we have got £90k a week spare in managers wages according to some clubs fans. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black ('n' White) Sheep Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Trav said: An Irish duo is set to arrive As long as it's not Jedward, I'm happy! Cheers for the info @Big Trav ? Will Hughes Hair, Big Trav and Hans Datdo-Dishes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said: If that’s the case we have got £90k a week spare in managers wages according to some clubs fans. Nah mate, 32Red were paying him direct - Derby will be worse off cos they have to pay for the manager now. Everyone knows it ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarchesRam Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Trav said: Hourinhane and mcgoldrick ? maybe Chester too all to be soon Chester is Welsh ? (The player, not the city. We haven't invaded.....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, TheDeadlySaul said: Obsessed Nothing to do with us having the highest revenue in the league? Even in L1, our revenue will be higher than half of the Championship: Reading, Millwall, QPR, Blackburn, Luton, Cardiff, Huddersfield, Rotherham, Preston Cardiff, Wigan, Blackpool and Hull Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Appentley have a medical today at derby hopeful be done later today. To that form we are debt free not like them stop your crying as been barely been able to sign players last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Curtains said: Blimey talk above depression post of the season Unbelievable, we sign or are about to sign a quality player, within the salary limits set, and some still moan ? Caerphilly Ram, Curtains and nogbad van 50 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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