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Force managers of other clubs to resign coz our owner, and theirs, had told him to sell their best player to us. Players on strike coz the Chairman forced the manager to resign for going on telly. Sign, but not sign, but maybe sign a couple of Czech lads (not sure if this is the ref in RamNut's post or if that is an Iain Storey Moore one - we did have previous) Manager in a porno, this time it's serious

Kind of this discussion, without the posturing

I don't want to speak on anyone's behalf but what I read was a suggestion that unity will always cause less conflict than division, for pretty bleeding obvious reasons (for example, the whole tone of the UK is clearly more fractious and divided now than it was pre referendum). However, my observation would be that the major reason we have avoided major wars in the last seventy years is not because of political institutions but because those who remembered what they actually bring were alive to caution us not to go down that path. Sadly, memory is not genetic and as that generation passes those that are left seem to want to blunder into the same mistakes as they did.

Taribo West was older than that when he played for us

Is that Thorne, Paterson and <insert name of latest player who the fans think it is all their fault>?

While I agree with your second sentence I think your first is a thing of history. Just take the opening line of the BBC lead article this morning "Conservative MPs have been warned not to rebel against the government over Brexit, as opposition MPs plan legislation to stop no deal." Don't see too much in there about MPs being allowed to not vote on party lines, align that to Cummings comments yesterday and it's pretty clear - you're either with us or you're out. A very strange tactic to pull in an all but minority government. Basically, Johnson is pretty limited on where he can go with this. He knows if he goes Deal or Extension he will lose the next election, he also knows (on record) that No Deal will screw us all. His only viable tactic is to play the biggest political bluff in this countries history and hope that the EU blinks first. If they don't, he's off like the last two and we're left with a broken political system and even more Farage than we currently get. Big stakes and (imho) irresponsible gambling of the highest order.

Rod, Jane and Freddy?

He didn't say 'fresh food' he just said 'everyone will have enough food' so get used to Pot Noodles and pasta for six months while we all work this out. Gove also refused to confirm that his cabal of Bullingdon Club wiff waff players would follow the recommendation of Parliament, you need to read that again if you didn't quite get what sits inside that statement. Dominic Cummings has notified Conservative MPs that if they vote for the extension legislation next week, they will be "automatically deselected" before the next election. It's not quite what this country is used to, to say the least. Seriously, I'm a fervent believer this is a disaster of a move to leave the EU but even I could support a position that said 'we've had enough talking, we're just going to get this done now and to do that we need to cut the chat and just get on with doing'. But this is not that, this is really dangerous abuse of our democratic process. What is happening here is beyond what we could even have feared in our worst estimates and is totally akin to the role of a dictator. I don't say that makes BoJoke some sort of neo-Hitler but I do say they are acting totally beyond any position that they have been empowered to do so (even by the miniscule percentage of our island that actually put them there)

With one post here in 40 years I'm going to say you, you and you.

You're correct, my mistake and I apologise. @Van Wolfie has corrected me perfectly - 99% of all imported potatoes come from the EU. Just to put the other side on this, EU countries will suffer also. Netherlands is estimated to be at risk of losing €4.5bn of trade, Ireland 4% of output, 750,000 of those famous German cars per year. You won't get economists to agree on much but the one thing they are pretty much aligned on is that nobody wins a trade war and a no deal without contingency puts us immediately in the middle of one - for every product category. Well, not quite - shouldn't be all doom and gloom about everything. As per August 14th we had trading agreements in place with the following countries so if you want some pilot whale meat, Toblerone, new false teeth or a big fat Samsung HDTV at least that is sorted. And it's taken us three years to get these signed...... South Korea Central America Andean countries Norway and Iceland Caribbean countries Pacific Islands Liechtenstein Israel Palestinian Authority Switzerland The Faroe Islands Eastern and Southern Africa Chile

I'm not quite sure I understood but I think, reading the above, you are saying that we can all put words in other peoples mouths to support the argument we might want to put forward? Correct. My point, apologies if it crossed over in any way, was that it matters not one jot now how people voted in the referendum but it will matter a hell of a lot how they vote in the next election. And they will vote for or against Boris based on how he handles the next few months. Bully his way through, and fail to listen to / understand the point of those who might not think they are getting what they thought they would (remain, second referendum, soft, hard, ultra hard, Norway +, extension, hard border, no border, let it burn etc) and he will be looking for a new job pretty soon. Deliver Brexit, with the EU bending at the last moment, and Britain getting through this relatively unscathed and he'll be lauded as a hero. If I give Boris one single jot of credit it is that he has taken the high risk option, to lead through this period now. If I have one reason I won't vote for Corbyn it is because he has done exactly the opposite.

79% of food in supermarkets comes from the EU Britain imports £30.3bn worth of food from the EU each year, yet exports £12.3bn £400m of tomatoes, mainly from the Netherlands, 99% of frozen potatoes (chips) are from the EU 98% of all lamb produced in the UK is exported to the EU. In the event of a no-deal Brexit that would, overnight, face a 40% tariff The Royal Pharmaceutical Society has already warned that they are stretched to stockpile on anti-depressants and painkillers We import more than we export from Germany, Netherlands, Spain, France, Belgium and Italy Germany sells about one in seven of all cars it makes in the UK, though it does export more to the UK than any other single country But you keep telling yourself that old and tired story that the inability for BMW to not sell all their cars on November 1st is going to panic them into submission within days. And nobody, here or elsewhere, is able to confirm whether or not the EU would willingly trade with a non-EU partner that has a porous border with one of it's neighours. Look, I get that we are a big country - no sensible body, even the EU and all that it is, will burn every bridge out of sheer spite. But we are proposing to enter into a no deal scenario willingly and of our own unilateral volition. In that case it isn't the EU that is to blame, we will have done this to ourselves.

Looking at that video it seems that Mars is a lot closer than I realised. But, flippant comments aside, it's quite amazing to think that this test was profoundly more important than anything that happened in the UK yesterday. It's mad to think that people are thinking very seriously about Mars as a new home for humanity.

Which is why Corbyn has about one week to save his political future - he needs to come out and say 'these are extreme times, we will help you get this over the line, on non-party lines, get the deals signed and then - once that is done - we go back to fighting this on party lines'. He is so mired in party politics that he can't see that would guarantee we sort out Brexit in a way he can then blame on the Tories plus all but guarantee his route into Downing Street.