Rob Couhig on Sports Scene at 6

[Ellafella]

6 minutes ago, David said:

Alongside a financial penalty of £100,000, the Club received a reprimand as to its future conduct and was ordered to submit revised and restated accounts for the years ended 30 June 2016, 30 June 2017, and 30 June 2018 to the EFL by Wednesday 18 August 2021.

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/august/efl-statement-Derby-county

The deadline wasn't until the 18th, by which point we would have played 3 games, before being extended to the 24th.

The 18th would have been too late to switch divisions regardless of what our accounts looked like.

Even if we had intentionally delayed handing over our accounts, the deadline allowed us to do so.

Now you could potentially then take this further back by saying Boro trying to get in on the claims also delayed proceedings, causing the knock on effect.

Either way, I honestly don't see how we can be at fault in this particular case with Wycombe.

…and we took the rap because the EFL supposedly agreed to draw a line in the sand. 

[Day]

4 minutes ago, Ellafella said:

Superb @David You should’ve done the interview. That’s why we need a timeline of facts. That would’ve got Couhig on the back foot. 

I do have a face for radio.

[hintonsboots]

Can’t believe we gave him airtime.

[DarkFruitsRam7]

16 minutes ago, David said:

Alongside a financial penalty of £100,000, the Club received a reprimand as to its future conduct and was ordered to submit revised and restated accounts for the years ended 30 June 2016, 30 June 2017, and 30 June 2018 to the EFL by Wednesday 18 August 2021.

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/august/efl-statement-Derby-county

The deadline wasn't until the 18th, by which point we would have played 3 games, before being extended to the 24th.

The 18th would have been too late to switch divisions regardless of what our accounts looked like.

Even if we had intentionally delayed handing over our accounts, the deadline allowed us to do so.

Now you could potentially then take this further back by saying Boro trying to get in on the claims also delayed proceedings, causing the knock on effect.

Either way, I honestly don't see how we can be at fault in this particular case with Wycombe.

Thank you. That's the answer I was looking (and hoping) for.

Now why oh why didn't Dawes research that beforehand and point it out to Couhig?

[Sufferingfool]

Didn’t listen as I’m afraid I have no faith in Ed Dawes ability as an interviewer and it sounds as if that was lack of faith was justified. Sure he is a decent bloke but sadly I’m not surprised if he was out of his depth on such an important issue. Shame Margaret Becket was not doing the interview.

Still we are getting the oxygen of publicity now which for good or ill we wanted, let’s see how it plays out

[Ewe Ram]

I wanted to smash the radio. Absolute chancer. The thing that’s really really making me angry is the way him and SG think they actually are entitled to something. I feel so powerless I’m raging ? 

[eccles the ram]

Couhig spent about 10 minutes talking about his background and how successful he was which, if I was a prospective employer, would be deemed as impressive and I would think about giving him a job. The main thing I hate is the word 'cheating' he kept referring Derby had done. I cannot remember whether the EFL or the independant bodies that have so far been involved in this sorry mess have directed that word in our direction. To cheat is a very harsh accusation. We have been charged with ' bending' not 'breaking' EFL rules. To the common man being a 'cheat' provokes more of a reaction than someone who 'may' have bent the rules. Didn't particularly like the man whose sympathy about us fans is about on par with the EFL's view. In retrospect he has inflamed the situation even more. RD perhaps wanted some answers from Couhig and how he felt. He is a man on a mission and that's for sure. Hopefully WHEN the Administrators start giving the fans some, hopefully, positive news I will calm down a bit more. At the moment still bloody fuming!?

[Rev]

20 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

Thank you. That's the answer I was looking (and hoping) for.

Now why oh why didn't Dawes research that beforehand and point it out to Couhig?

Why would he do that, and give Couhig a chance at a reverse ferret?

I'm sure Ed Dawes is well aware of the deadlines etc, after all he's a Derby fan before he's a journalist.

By letting the lawyer shoot his mouth off without interruption, he's laid bare just how ridiculous and without merit Wycombe's claim is.

 

[StaffsRam]

I was amused that he managed to pronounce Derby properly but then continually ducked up “Midburrow” ?

[RoyMac5]

This from a Derby fan:

 

[Ram-Alf]

4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

This from a Derby fan:

 

In what way hard done by, They were promoted on a basis of points per game, They were shyte most of the season, They won there last game when Boro couldn't be arsed, They were relegated as they got less points than us, We hold no blame, Go and run along the M6 and turn off for Preston, It's the ELF you need to sue.

[BramcoteRam84]

1 hour ago, Zag zig said:

I’d have loved Graham Richards to have been taking him to task instead of Ed. Richards commentary could sometimes irritate but he was pointed in challenging Maxwell years back, so he’d have ripped into Couhig’s lack of substance in an instant.

Graham Richards was a top barrister and ultimately became a high court judge, that’s why. Ed’s a local journo, tried, probably had lots of stuff on, thought it would be just a chat, he wasn’t prepared for Couhig turning it into an aggressive negotiation, which is what that was. 

[Ghost of Clough]

1 hour ago, BrudeRAM said:

Sad to say I’m listening to Rob Couhig and think he is very impressive, think he could make a convincing case for Wycombe. Silence from Quantuma is deafening

He's an experienced lawyer so will be a good debater. However, he is not a sports lawyer, in particular a football lawyer.

Did he even state any facts? He simply repspknded with more questions which Ed didnt knoa the answers to. Someone like Nick De Marco would wipe the floor with him... but it won't be BTEC Saul Goodman arguing infront of any arbitration panel, he'll be hiring a specialist.

[Ghost of Clough]

1 hour ago, Rev said:

I think he did a terrible job with the Mel Morris interview.

Today's was more useful, by letting the gobshite set out his position in full allows us to see how weak their claims are.

Exactly. His entire argument is "Derby owe us money because the EFL's processes meant a points penalty was applied in the season that doesnt suit me"

[Barney1991]

Someone nip to supermarket and buy Ed Dawes a new belt. His pants have been pulled down and there round his ankle as we speak. Pulled down far too easily I have to say. You would have thought the original interviewer dropped out 2 minutes before and he took over the interview with no prior knowledges 

[DarkFruitsRam7]

15 minutes ago, Rev said:

Why would he do that, and give Couhig a chance at a reverse ferret?

I'm sure Ed Dawes is well aware of the deadlines etc, after all he's a Derby fan before he's a journalist.

By letting the lawyer shoot his mouth off without interruption, he's laid bare just how ridiculous and without merit Wycombe's claim is.

Disagree. I think you're giving Dawes too much credit.

I'm relatively informed about the situation and I wasn't 100% sure if we'd breached rules by publishing our accounts after the start of the new season. Those who haven't been following it closely will be under the impression that we cheated by publishing our accounts when we did.

[Rambam]

4 minutes ago, BramcoteRam84 said:

Graham Richards was a top barrister and ultimately became a high court judge, that’s why. Ed’s a local journo, tried, probably had lots of stuff on, thought it would be just a chat, he wasn’t prepared for Couhig turning it into an aggressive negotiation, which is what that was. 

Claiming ignorance of Boro’s claim (yeah that’s believable) allowed him to sidestep the obvious inference. If we bow to Wycombe, to any extent, we will by extension need to bow to Boro. 
This would be intolerable to any prospective buyer. And he knows it. He isn’t stupid. 

[Eatonram]

10 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

In what way hard done by, They were promoted on a basis of points per game, They were shyte most of the season, They won there last game when Boro couldn't be arsed, They were relegated as they got less points than us, We hold no blame, Go and run along the M6 and turn off for Preston, It's the ELF you need to sue.

Who thinks Boro might have taken this game easy. I know I do

[Ghost of Clough]

1 hour ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

On another note from that interview, what do we reckon about his suggestion that the claims aren’t the only barrier to sale?

Have we or have we not come to agreements with HMRC and other creditors, to which the bidders are happy to comply with? 

He didnt even claim we haven't agreed anything with HMRC. He was asking Ed if he knew if we had. He said several other things like that during the interview. Constant deflection away from his weak claim

[Tamworthram]

Just now, Ghost of Clough said:

He's an experienced lawyer so will be a good debater. However, he is not a sports lawyer, in particular a football lawyer.

Did he even state any facts? He simply repspknded with more questions which Ed didnt knoa the answers to. Someone like Nick De Marco would wipe the floor with him... but it won't be BTEC Saul Goodman arguing infront of any arbitration panel, he'll be hiring a specialist.

Exactly. Ed should have simply asked him: regardless of Mel’s intentions did Derby break any rules or miss any EFL deadlines in terms of when they submitted the amended accounts? The answer is a straight forward no. Therefore Derby did not cheat Wycombe out of Championship survival, they simply used the EFL rules (regarding when they needed to submit the accounts) to their advantage. Perhaps morally wrong but no rules broken. So what is your case?