StaffsRam Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: While heart says agree - head is just trying to understand the reasons and not just dismissing it off hand, as that is dangerous and arrogant. The reason is that time wise they have us over a barrel. If we weren’t in admin, or if we had the time to take this down the arbitration route then they wouldn’t even bother because we all know they can’t prove their case, there is simply no argument to counter. Circumstances being what they are tho, they make the claim on the basis that the admins will have to try and resolve the matter, via some sort of settlement, before we can leave administration/prove funds. Its opportunistic greed at its worst. RoyMac5, europia and Crewton 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: While heart says agree - head is just trying to understand the reasons and not just dismissing it off hand, as that is dangerous and arrogant. What did Derby do? We failed P&S due to non-compliant accounts¹, were late submitting accounts², and followed the the EFLs processes to get the matter resolved³. Wycombe 1. EFL procedures determined the previously submitted accounts were non-compluant and a punishment in line with EFL procedures was handed out 2. EFL rules state this infraction is punished with an embargo until accounts are submitted. This has been the case. There are reports that the delay in submitting those accounts was a result of waiting for a verdict from DC/LAP. The first set of missing accounts was for the 18/19 season which were due by the end of June 2020 - several months after we were charged. 3. EFL procedures followed. Seems to be Wycombe's claim should be against the EFL. Middlesbrough 1. EFL procedures were followed which resulted in a points deduction not being applied in the season which Gibson wanted (18/19) nor the season the EFL themselves wanted (20/21) 2. EFL processes followed. This does not impact Gibson's claim as missing accounts would only have an impact on the league table in future seasons (19/20 onward) 3. EFL procedures followed. Middlesbrough's claim should be against the EFL for not spotting/investigating any potential wrong-doing sooner, so that Derby could have been penalised in what should have been the correct season (18/19) Carl Sagan, leamram, Premier ram and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: What did Derby do? We failed P&S due to non-compliant accounts¹, were late submitting accounts², and followed the the EFLs processes to get the matter resolved³. Wycombe 1. EFL procedures determined the previously submitted accounts were non-compluant and a punishment in line with EFL procedures was handed out 2. EFL rules state this infraction is punished with an embargo until accounts are submitted. This has been the case. There are reports that the delay in submitting those accounts was a result of waiting for a verdict from DC/LAP. The first set of missing accounts was for the 18/19 season which were due by the end of June 2020 - several months after we were charged. 3. EFL procedures followed. Seems to be Wycombe's claim should be against the EFL. Middlesbrough 1. EFL procedures were followed which resulted in a points deduction not being applied in the season which Gibson wanted (18/19) nor the season the EFL themselves wanted (20/21) 2. EFL processes followed. This does not impact Gibson's claim as missing accounts would only have an impact on the league table in future seasons (19/20 onward) 3. EFL procedures followed. Middlesbrough's claim should be against the EFL for not spotting/investigating any potential wrong-doing sooner, so that Derby could have been penalised in what should have been the correct season (18/19) Good stuff as always - where have I been reading that Middlesbrough were told not to sue the EFL but go after Derby instead ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Good stuff as always - where have I been reading that Middlesbrough were told not to sue the EFL but go after Derby instead ? https://www.efl.com/contentassets/c9fc5dceaa7f4b62b81dca0b9e2f7c9d/2020.10.26---decision-on-mfc-redaction.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, i-Ram said: I didnt hear the interview, but I am beginning to get the impression that Ed Dawes really should be spinning discs between the hours of 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. on North Norfolk Digital. Sorry to milk this one, but perhaps the programme could be called Early Dawes. Edited January 19, 2022 by i-Ram ThePrisoner, RadioactiveWaste, JoetheRam and 8 others 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Just now, Ghost of Clough said: https://www.efl.com/contentassets/c9fc5dceaa7f4b62b81dca0b9e2f7c9d/2020.10.26---decision-on-mfc-redaction.pdf Not much independence going on there is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: <snip> A perfect summary - and much that I thought too. Thanks. Ghost of Clough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eccles the ram Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Sorry if someone has brought this up before (there is too much to read on here currently) but why isn't Couhig going after Reading as well as us. They have been found guilty of 'cheating' by the EFL and given a points deduction, and took 3 points off Wycombe. Those 3 points back would have saved Wycombe from being relegated! . Note to Couhig: Reading's chairman is worth a bob or two, why don't you fook off and go after them and leave us alone! UTR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 7 hours ago, eccles the ram said: Sorry if someone has brought this up before (there is too much to read on here currently) but why isn't Couhig going after Reading as well as us. They have been found guilty of 'cheating' by the EFL and given a points deduction, and took 3 points off Wycombe. Those 3 points back would have saved Wycombe from being relegated! . Note to Couhig: Reading's chairman is worth a bob or two, why don't you fook off and go after them and leave us alone! UTR. Because Reading have had the penalty applied in the correct season. They exceeded limits in the P&S period up to 2021, which means a penalty in the 21/22 season. Couhig (incorrectly) believes Derby's penalty should have been applied to 20/21 season for failing the periods ending in 2017, 2019 and 2021. As was pointed out from the interview yesterday, Couhig doesn't know the correct information, notably timescales, P&S periods, P&S rules, nor EFL procedures. eccles the ram and duncanjwitham 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: What did Derby do? We failed P&S due to non-compliant accounts¹, were late submitting accounts², and followed the the EFLs processes to get the matter resolved³. Wycombe 1. EFL procedures determined the previously submitted accounts were non-compluant and a punishment in line with EFL procedures was handed out 2. EFL rules state this infraction is punished with an embargo until accounts are submitted. This has been the case. There are reports that the delay in submitting those accounts was a result of waiting for a verdict from DC/LAP. The first set of missing accounts was for the 18/19 season which were due by the end of June 2020 - several months after we were charged. 3. EFL procedures followed. Seems to be Wycombe's claim should be against the EFL. Middlesbrough 1. EFL procedures were followed which resulted in a points deduction not being applied in the season which Gibson wanted (18/19) nor the season the EFL themselves wanted (20/21) 2. EFL processes followed. This does not impact Gibson's claim as missing accounts would only have an impact on the league table in future seasons (19/20 onward) 3. EFL procedures followed. Middlesbrough's claim should be against the EFL for not spotting/investigating any potential wrong-doing sooner, so that Derby could have been penalised in what should have been the correct season (18/19) You might send this to Parry’s email account under the subject title ‘please pass to legal team’ eccles the ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JfR Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 When's Couhig going to get over this and move onto suing The Simpsons for misappropriating his likeness? Premier ram, eccles the ram, Carnero and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 8 hours ago, eccles the ram said: Sorry if someone has brought this up before (there is too much to read on here currently) but why isn't Couhig going after Reading as well as us. They have been found guilty of 'cheating' by the EFL and given a points deduction, and took 3 points off Wycombe. Those 3 points back would have saved Wycombe from being relegated! . Note to Couhig: Reading's chairman is worth a bob or two, why don't you fook off and go after them and leave us alone! UTR. Let's be honest, would you risk going after a bloke called Dai Yongge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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