Oldben Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 20 hours ago, IslandExile said: What do you suggest he do? Forget, for a moment, how we got here. How do we move forwards? Cannot sell a club that nobody wants to buy. Do we take the EFL points deduction to get them off our backs? Will likely mean relegation. Go into administration? Calamatous. Open a honest communication with the fans in which he declares: "we're in the poo poo". That'll attract season ticket sales and potential buyers. So it's all very good demanding action from Mel .... But what exactly? It's not that nobody wants to buy the club, other struggling clubs have been purchased. It's like property, when you buy a renovation house at auction, you pay a lot less than the full price. Mel has to agree to sell the club for a lot less than he currently is rumoured to want for it. Angry Ram, Rammy03 and r_wilcockson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberram Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 2p then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldben Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 hour ago, atherstoneram said: Why should someone who wasn't responsible for the accident but got injured accept reduced terms of employment when the person who did carried on as normal. Anti MM , i am anti anyone who behaves in such a manner and also more for the fact the way he has managed to almost ruin the club. If you were in someone elses car,had a crash,got injured through no fault of your own then got sacked from work would you not expect to try and get your money One issue here is that he was the elder player and club captain, as such he should have advised the other players to take a taxi home. It was a complete lack of expected responsibility on his part derbydaz22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Amberram said: 2p then Outrageous. We are a tuppenny h'apenny club. GenBr and Amberram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 45 minutes ago, Oldben said: One issue here is that he was the elder player and club captain, as such he should have advised the other players to take a taxi home. It was a complete lack of expected responsibility on his part I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, he’s their workmate who wears an armband on a Saturday, not their dad. I’ve known ‘normal’ line managers to get up to all sorts. Football is no different. Jayram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Jayram said: Keogh was an utter twit for doing what he did but Morris didn’t sack him because of ‘gross misconduct’; he did only went down that route after Keogh refused a much reduced contract. Regardless of the circumstances Morris tried to circumvent established employment norms and ended up costing the club 2.5 million. Another example of his piss poor decision making. Wouldn't it have cost us that anyway if Keogh had stayed? Comrade 86 and Carnero 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Wouldn't it have cost us that anyway if Keogh had stayed? An inconvenient truth ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayram Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Wouldn't it have cost us that anyway if Keogh had stayed? Possibly Roy but at least we’d have got a few months games out of him before his contract expired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 2 hours ago, cannable said: I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, he’s their workmate who wears an armband on a Saturday, not their dad. I’ve known ‘normal’ line managers to get up to all sorts. Football is no different. Did the all sorts stop them from doing their job for 12 months? derbydaz22 and Norman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Did the all sorts stop them from doing their job for 12 months? My point isn’t about whether he deserved the sack. It was about the expectations that he should ‘Dad’ his colleagues because he’s a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buckley’s Dog Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Jayram said: Possibly Roy but at least we’d have got a few months games out of him before his contract expired! Maybe we could have put him to work in the ticket office. Premier ram, derbydaz22 and David Graham Brown 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, cannable said: My point isn’t about whether he deserved the sack. It was about the expectations that he should ‘Dad’ his colleagues because he’s a footballer. Not sure its even about him acting as dad. Its about his own actions of turning down taxis laid on by the club and then getting into a drunken colleagues car. David Graham Brown, derbydaz22, r_wilcockson and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambalin Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Comrade 86, hintonsboots, Ram-Alf and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rambalin said: They only met up to see if MM could have Jamie Ward on loan until January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Rambalin said: Smart, as in sharp stinging pain? GenBr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 On 11/09/2021 at 23:52, G STAR RAM said: Not sure its even about him acting as dad. Its about his own actions of turning down taxis laid on by the club and then getting into a drunken colleagues car. Ah, a drunken colleagues car,who, (it later transpired at court) had a reliance on alcohol. What about Lawrences' actions of turning down the clubs offer of a taxi. Perhaps he thought he was going to be drinking Orange juice or none alcoholic beer all night, somehow i don't think so. If you are going to look at the actions of one person you also have to look at the actions of the other. Deej 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: Ah, a drunken colleagues car,who, (it later transpired at court) had a reliance on alcohol. What about Lawrences' actions of turning down the clubs offer of a taxi. Perhaps he thought he was going to be drinking Orange juice or none alcoholic beer all night, somehow i don't think so. If you are going to look at the actions of one person you also have to look at the actions of the other. Lawrence had his punishment via the judiciary and was still able to carry out his duties as per his contract of employment. Really not sure why you are finding it so hard to comprehend the difference. GB SPORTS, Comrade 86 and cool_as_custard 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: Ah, a drunken colleagues car,who, (it later transpired at court) had a reliance on alcohol. What about Lawrences' actions of turning down the clubs offer of a taxi. Perhaps he thought he was going to be drinking Orange juice or none alcoholic beer all night, somehow i don't think so. If you are going to look at the actions of one person you also have to look at the actions of the other. You absolutely don't - each individual's case has to be addressed independently. There were different actions, different outcomes and different consequences for the club and the individuals concerned. Personally I'd have sacked all 3 if I'd been in Mel's shoes, but as it is now becoming clear, the club finances dictated that the players with any 'value' had to be retained in an attempt to recoup some value from their contracts, whereas a certain individual was unable to fulfil his footballing commitments (and at the time we all thought he'd probably ended his career). Comrade 86 and David Graham Brown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Really not sure why you are bothering with circular arguments about something that happened two years ago now, court fines been issued, community service orders completed and driving bans almost completed? Forest fans singing " he should be in jail" at the game. Can't move on. Remind you of anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Lawrence had his punishment via the judiciary and was still able to carry out his duties as per his contract of employment. Really not sure why you are finding it so hard to comprehend the difference. Are you really not capable of seeing why Keogh won his claim against the club, it is not just about being able to play football but that's all you seem to be focused on which is understandable in the same vein that MM did. Lawrence was culpable of causing the accident as was proved by the judiciary. Keogh wasn't able to carry out his contract due to the actions of a Third party. I really can see the difference it is just you that cannot grasp it. Deej 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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