Derby blood Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: There is no fight, some on here think MM can do no wrong and walk on water as others can see his faults and failings I agree with you mate, Mel has ripped this club apart, he has got alot more wrong than he has got right in my opinion, and the sooner he is gone the better , and then hopefully the mighty Rams can rebuild again. oldtimeram, David Graham Brown, atherstoneram and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Had you been MM what action would you have advocated? What on earth on you on about, why would i advocate anything,i made a reply to a post that said the pub staff had been told to keep quiet,all i asked was why had they been told to keep quiet,was there something to hide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: What on earth on you on about, why would i advocate anything,i made a reply to a post that said the pub staff had been told to keep quiet,all i asked was why had they been told to keep quiet,was there something to hide? I'm asking what action you would have taken in relation to the whole situation. Wondering how you would have handled everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Just now, G STAR RAM said: I'm asking what action you would have taken in relation to the whole situation. Wondering how you would have handled everything. Why do you keep asking that,it has no relevance,i just wondered why the pub staff had been told to keep quiet that's all. How would you have handled it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestLondonRam Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Had you been MM what action would you have advocated? Personally from the point of the Buisness I would of built a case for Gross Misconduct, Bringing the club in to disrepute and failing to carry out his duties. Club Captain, Goes out drinks too much and doesn't sort the younger members of the team out before a major catastrophe, Gets himself injured in the process and unable to fulfil his Contract needs. His career is not over as he now has a contract as a footballer. I would of negotiated a smaller contract whilst recovering, If that could not of been reached, I would of offer redundancy. Kicking him out of the club is Gregorian with no final payment in all his years of service, But the rate could of been agreed before sacking him. You can't sack one person and not the other 2 when he was not in charge of the vehicle. As for MM it's not just a failing in the Keogh case... EFL Case is a failing. Embargo case for 18 Months is a failing Making Fans sign an NDA is a failing Signing and sacking Numerus managers is a failing. Handling of The fake Sheiks is a failing. Lying to the fans is a failing Buying players and selling them at a fraction of the price is a failing (That hurt his own money) Refusing to speak to the Fans is a failing. The ticket office operation is a failing. Not providing HMRC accounts is a failing. How anyone can think that his tenure has not been a failing I will never know. Yes he invested in the Club and I feel sorry for him but at the end of the day he can't sell the club to anyone as it's under an embargo with no sign of an end. He cannot sit there with Radio silence when the fans are still turning up every week to support that dross, when your local radio aren't even being told what's going on you know there is an issue somewhere. He needs to front it now and move on, The deafly silence is worse than what we are facing with the EFL. Derby blood and atherstoneram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, WestLondonRam said: Personally from the point of the Buisness I would of built a case for Gross Misconduct, Bringing the club in to disrepute and failing to carry out his duties. Club Captain, Goes out drinks too much and doesn't sort the younger members of the team out before a major catastrophe, Gets himself injured in the process and unable to fulfil his Contract needs. His career is not over as he now has a contract as a footballer. I would of negotiated a smaller contract whilst recovering, If that could not of been reached, I would of offer redundancy. Kicking him out of the club is Gregorian with no final payment in all his years of service, But the rate could of been agreed before sacking him. You can't sack one person and not the other 2 when he was not in charge of the vehicle. As for MM it's not just a failing in the Keogh case... EFL Case is a failing. Embargo case for 18 Months is a failing Making Fans sign an NDA is a failing Signing and sacking Numerus managers is a failing. Handling of The fake Sheiks is a failing. Lying to the fans is a failing Buying players and selling them at a fraction of the price is a failing (That hurt his own money) Refusing to speak to the Fans is a failing. The ticket office operation is a failing. Not providing HMRC accounts is a failing. How anyone can think that his tenure has not been a failing I will never know. Yes he invested in the Club and I feel sorry for him but at the end of the day he can't sell the club to anyone as it's under an embargo with no sign of an end. He cannot sit there with Radio silence when the fans are still turning up every week to support that dross, when your local radio aren't even being told what's going on you know there is an issue somewhere. He needs to front it now and move on, The deafly silence is worse than what we are facing with the EFL. Don't forget the fact that when he took over we were £15M in debt with a ground to call our own. Now it is around £50M with no ground or training facilities to call our own. Brilliant. r_wilcockson, oldtimeram, Derby blood and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 hours ago, atherstoneram said: Why do you keep asking that,it has no relevance,i just wondered why the pub staff had been told to keep quiet that's all. How would you have handled it? Of course it has relevance. If you're going to slate someone for a decision then surely you must have, what you think, was a more plausible alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, atherstoneram said: Don't forget the fact that when he took over we were £15M in debt with a ground to call our own. Now it is around £50M with no ground or training facilities to call our own. Brilliant. Source for the £50m. We have a long leasehold on the ground. We have never owned the training facilities. Gringo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 3 hours ago, atherstoneram said: There is no fight, some on here think MM can do no wrong and walk on water as others can see his faults and failings Mel Morris - the new Brexit Dean (hick) Saunders and Abu Derby 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Source for the £50m. We have a long leasehold on the ground. We have never owned the training facilities. Who owns the ground,simple question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Of course it has relevance. If you're going to slate someone for a decision then surely you must have, what you think, was a more plausible alternative. I am not slating anyone,i am just querying why the pub staff were told to keep quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 54 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Source for the £50m. We have a long leasehold on the ground. We have never owned the training facilities. Ah i get it now,you are MM in disguise, don't feel ashamed in coming on here keep asking what i would advocate. I can find you the number for Debt Line if you want it. Deej 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: Who owns the ground,simple question? Sevco 5112 Ltd owns more than 75% of it with charges registered to MSD and Barclays Bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1988 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) I would be nice if we the fans could invest money into a stake of the club and have some element of fan ownership. Edited September 13, 2021 by Ram1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, atherstoneram said: I would have imagined then if that was the case the club should have advised Lawrence not to attend the days team building exercise so that can be seen as a failing on the club by letting him attend They have a duty of care or,where you are concerned money over rides everything. Not sure about that one. You can't join us for a meal at lunchtime because you have a mental health issue at the moment. That's another players union involvement right there. Edited September 13, 2021 by Gee SCREAMER !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raich Carter Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 3 hours ago, atherstoneram said: Don't forget the fact that when he took over we were £15M in debt with a ground to call our own. Now it is around £50M with no ground or training facilities to call our own. Brilliant. I’m not a MM hater but you can’t really argue with that. Good summary but perhaps we could add that the squad is also worth less… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 30 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: Who owns the ground,simple question? Mel owns the ground, with a loan against the ground with MSD, which looks like he has a personal guarantee on the loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Charlotte Ram said: Mel owns the ground, with a loan against the ground with MSD, which looks like he has a personal guarantee on the loan. So as i said we, the club, don't even own the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: Who owns the ground,simple question? Can't remember, off the top of my head, at 30 June 2018 it was one of the Sevco or Gellaw companies ie one of the parent companies. I will look on Companies House when I get chance. Why do you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: I am not slating anyone,i am just querying why the pub staff were told to keep quiet. Who told the pub staff to keep quiet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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