Wolfie Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Looks like the “don’t award any penalties to Derby” memo will be going round again this season…… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamUltraRam Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dan_Ram said: The problem is, the panels that decided the 100k fine were the same ones that cleared us in the first place. I assume if the EFL appeal, it will go back to the arbitration panel who were significantly more strict and said that we shouldn’t have been cleared in the first place. So a jump from a fine to points isn’t that unrealistic. That's a good point. The 'impartial' independent panel have made their decision and they are done now. An appeal would pass the decision back to the nasties appointed by the EFL Am I right in believing that an Employment Tribunal agreed with Derby's decision to sack Keogh but the EFL came up with their own different decision ? Edited June 24, 2021 by SamUltraRam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: I thought it was always stated that the charge that the EFL appealed against couldnt bring a points deduction? The outcome the efl wanted I’d assume is to prove that our method is wrong, then make us resubmit and sting us with another round of charges. it was assumed by some but never stated as such. The DC say fine, both side can appeal to LAP. I can't believe the club will appeal. If the EFL do (and I think they will because every other club will want it) the LAP overrule the DC again, then points will relegate us for offences that took place seasons before. If it is a fine then we stay where we are. When the club produces restated accounts and if they show a breach then the DC will announce a penalty which is likely to be points. DCFC will appeal to the LAP under this separate charge. Any penalty will be applied in that season. We are ducked whichever way you spin it fine only, restated accounts compliant. Missed the transfer window, relegation likely fine only, restated accounts breach points penalty in new season. Missed the transfer window, relegation certainty Points penalty, restated accounts compliant. Relegated backdated, missed the transfer window, tough season in Div 1 Points penalty, restated accounts breach points penalty in new season. Relegated backdated, missed the transfer window, very tough season in Div 1 (flirting with further relegation) kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said: I love this idea of a fund set up for Deby fans to pay the fine. This would show that we as a 'club' won't just let the EFL walk all over us. When we reach the 100k, us as fans personally take the money to the EFL HQ and show our disgust at how they as an organisation can victimise a club like they are doing. This would get amazing press and highlight what a poo show the EFL really are. We should take it to their HQ in a lorry full of 2,000,000 5p coins and tip them at the front door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, SamUltraRam said: That's a good point. The 'impartial' independent panel have made their decision and they are done now. An appeal would pass the decision back to the nasties appointed by the EFL Don’t think that is the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 There needs to be some type of Government body that sits above the EFL that can look into the way that they operate. I have no issue with the EFL going after us or anyone else for breaching FFP, that is part of what they are there for. However what is not acceptable is the way there go about things. - they should not be influenced by outside parties - they should be aligned as much as possible with the football clubs when they issue press statements - they should inform clubs when they intend to issue press statements - transfer embargo's should be a last resort and instances where they are responsible for the loss of a Jack Marriott should not happen - They should not issue prejudicial statements such as the Wycombe/Derby one until it is justified (Derby are regulated) - They should not look to treat a club in a different and prejudicial way to others (Retrospective relegation) I think the EFL operational mandate and leadership needs to be investigated r_wilcockson and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, ramsbottom said: I prefer the parallel universe where either Forsyth, Buxton, or Keogh put it into Wembley's row Z against QPR, we went on to win it in extra time, made a few astute signings, and are now a firmly established premier league outfit... If QPR or Villa had been punished for their P&S breaches in the season they occurred......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said: Don’t think that is the case why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: We should take it to their HQ in a lorry full of 2,000,000 5p coins and tip them at the front door. Or 1,999,999 and then when they count it and say it's short we can appeal the decision. Ramslad1992 and The Scarlet Pimpernel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: Assuming we accept and pay the £100k fine asap are we still under a transfer embargo until we re-submit the accounts? If so how long have the EFL got to accept our re-submitted figures? A couple of years should be enough for the EFL-desired outcome. The Scarlet Pimpernel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, BaaLocks said: Or 1,999,999 and then when they count it and say it's short we can appeal the decision. BTW (with W=weigh) this would weigh 3.25g under 6.5 tonnes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 40 minutes ago, Grumpy Git said: Will people stop posting faster than I can read the thread, (I feel like a painter on the Forth Bridge). But you have just added to it , as have I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 The Wycombe comments are worrying me. They are effectively signposting that the EFL believe that we should be relegated. They could also help Wycombe put together a case for compensation. If EFL are not expecting us to be relegated, it is an extraordinarily inflammatory statement. IMO, there is far more here than we are currently seeing - EFL expect that we will start next season in League 1. So that must be a points deduction, but how? If they appeal the punishment, it will take month or two and we'd likely challenge it in court afterwards - too slow. I see no avenue for Wycombe (or Middlesbrough) to take action leading to a points deduction. If we restate the accounts and fail P&S, it would trigger a new round of hearings, panels, punishments and appeals. I expect this will be a feature of the Autumn, but is not going to be concluded in the next few weeks, so this isn't relegating us for 'last' season. So logically, it looks as if the EFL have another disciplinary avenue away from the P&S system that they are going to follow. Maybe one where they can directly impose a punishment with no right to appeal? I suspect that we're about to hear about something like,' failing to act in the utmost good faith', which oddly carries a punishment to be determined by the EFL. UTFR and RadioactiveWaste 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) Edit...Rubbish by me! Edited June 24, 2021 by The Scarlet Pimpernel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 When does the DC documentation usually land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollycutts1982 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said: I love this idea of a fund set up for Deby fans to pay the fine. This would show that we as a 'club' won't just let the EFL walk all over us. When we reach the 100k, us as fans personally take the money to the EFL HQ and show our disgust at how they as an organisation can victimise a club like they are doing. This would get amazing press and highlight what a poo show the EFL really are. And pay it in 1ps and make them count it. ?? Bald Eagle's Barmy Army 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Wolfie said: Looks like the “don’t award any penalties to Derby” memo will be going round again this season…… We have to get into the penalty area first! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: When does the DC documentation usually land? Probably in the next few days. I imagine both the club and the efl streesed they wanted a decision before fixtures were released so they did get the headline prior. I'd expect early next week most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, Spanish said: why? Because the DC had the opportunity to punish on but passed it back to the LAP . I understand that any appeal is now with the LAP not DC . Could be wrong but that is my understanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said: I love this idea of a fund set up for Deby fans to pay the fine. This would show that we as a 'club' won't just let the EFL walk all over us. When we reach the 100k, us as fans personally take the money to the EFL HQ and show our disgust at how they as an organisation can victimise a club like they are doing. This would get amazing press and highlight what a poo show the EFL really are. Maybe we could pay it in 1p coins.that would be fun and I would be up for that Bald Eagle's Barmy Army 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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