WHY

[Van der MoodHoover]

4 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

I think at the time we lost will Hughes to injury and someone else at the game against Bolton and near to deadline day and had to act fast.

I think maybe he regrets at having pull finger so many times now I do think if lampard had stayed we gone up following season.

Was Bryson in the same game. Add in losing George Thorne twice, Forsyth also and we've had terrible luck with serious injuries.

[Rev]

7 minutes ago, therams69 said:

Actually starting to think he signed Ibe because he offers value in the way we account - 7m maybe eh.

Absolutely not the case. 

A player can only hold a value equal to his cost of employment, in Ibes case that would be limited to what we paid his agent as he was a free transfer.

[B4ev6is]

3 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Was Bryson in the same game. Add in losing George Thorne twice, Forsyth also and we've had terrible luck with serious injuries.

Yep those are the ones but even under Clement the football got awful to watch even if we were near top of the table I wish I had the money I would but the club but I dont but one thing I would do is hire someone to advice me.

[MackworthRamIsGod]

26 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

I understand your view but don't forget @dmin that clears debt means lots of little businesses in Derby, people's lively hoods are lost. Its not a nice process. 

This is why I say I dont really understand the whole administration thing, I never considered businesses being hit, certainly wouldnt want to hit people in the pocket anymore than they already have been.

As I say, whichever way we turn we end up in the mud.

[therams69]

15 minutes ago, Rev said:

Absolutely not the case. 

A player can only hold a value equal to his cost of employment, in Ibes case that would be limited to what we paid his agent as he was a free transfer.

Fair play I didn't know ... ?

[Rev]

1 minute ago, therams69 said:

Fair play I didn't know ... ?

It's not the sort of thing fans should know, tbf. 

It was easier when we just turned up and watched, and trusted those in charge would be good uns.

[therams69]

6 minutes ago, Rev said:

It's not the sort of thing fans should know, tbf. 

It was easier when we just turned up and watched, and trusted those in charge would be good uns.

We are questioning everything now it would be fair to say...

Yep! This is why fans are needed on boards of football clubs, a bit like the German model. Far too many clubs fans are being punished unfairly.

[Ken Tram]

Deja vu!

Isn't there another thread that this thread can be merged into?

And, if that happens, feel free to scroll down to the comments that I made about Mel in that thread!

[Mckram]

Love it when people’s argument for doing things differently is not signing poor players.

Imagine being Mel, like actually being Mel and when someone comes to you and says we think this player will be amazing for Derby but it’s £6m you’re going to have to pay out your own pocket for them. Ignore his net worth as a lot of that is tied up money he doesn’t have access to. It’s real cash and will impact him greatly.

He must have had some ridiculously hard calls to make and it was all to take Derby to the next level and please us fans. I will never slate him because I’m fairly certain if I had the money he did I’d have made a lot more mistakes along the way.

If he won at Wembley against QPR or Villa then he is a hero to everyone, simple as that. 

[AndyinLiverpool]

8 minutes ago, Mckram said:

Love it when people’s argument for doing things differently is not signing poor players.

Imagine being Mel, like actually being Mel and when someone comes to you and says we think this player will be amazing for Derby but it’s £6m you’re going to have to pay out your own pocket for them. Ignore his net worth as a lot of that is tied up money he doesn’t have access to. It’s real cash and will impact him greatly.

He must have had some ridiculously hard calls to make and it was all to take Derby to the next level and please us fans. I will never slate him because I’m fairly certain if I had the money he did I’d have made a lot more mistakes along the way.

If he won at Wembley against QPR or Villa then he is a hero to everyone, simple as that. 

Point of order - he didn't have anything to do with the QPR thing.

He wouldn't be paying for a player out of his own pocket. That's what ffp is designed to eradicate.

To me, pleasing the fans who want new and more expensive players is the surest way to dusty death.

[Derby blood]

2 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

Don't forget whatever plan you make.... If you get it wrong I'm going to criticise you to death because I want the best for dcfc and I want promotion. 

No i want a club to be well run, be financial secure, and hope 1 day to make it to the prem, without gambling our future at being a club, make no mistake about it, we are in a financial mess, and we could  end up without a Derby County if things are not sorted soon, and who is that all down to, Super Fan Mel

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

To be honest you sometimes don't pay much attention to the ridiculous wage bog standard footballers get, but when you see the figure 25k repeatedly over a 48 hr period you realise that that person gets paid in a year what most people work 40-50 years for 5 days a week it almost makes your eyes bleed.   We had a 19yr here with 20 games who negotiated a contract at 625 k a year.

That is the real root cause of the situation rather than the actual fees, averaged over 5 years with cash coming in on transfers we're probably not to bad.

[Inverurie Ram]

@therams69chin up mate. It's never easy being a Derby County fan. Your frustrations and passion captured a couple of times on East Midlands News this week paint a picture of that and so much more. @Angry Ramhad his doubts right from the off regarding the current board.

I tend to fall into the trap of sticking by folk to the bitter end, a loyalty thing, Nigel Clough etc hoping they can make amends or have had bad luck or been dealt a rotten hand etc. You mention Cocu and I believed in his 5 year plan, and then Rooney arrived, and Cocu was undermined, but Cocu like the true Gent just got on with it, but he began and carried on to look unhealthy in his position. Then you hear things like Hughton would not have come to work for us, when he was available, then alarm bells start to ring.

I even asked a member of the club a simple question recently about the fans being shown on the advertising boards, when we scored a goal, something the club had advertised on it's official website, to carry out, why it wasn't happening or was I not seeing it? or was it because we simply were not scoring any goals at Pride Park or had it being pulled and if so why, nothing on the official website explaining such, so simple things like that were falling over, which were seen as important things to get right at the club, not so long ago, that openness between the club and fans.

I hate to see our club struggling and I agree with the German model, with fans being on the board etc, but at the same time, you also have to consider the work, time, effort, costs etc the likes of yourself, 1884 Group etc have already put into trying to improve the atmosphere at Pride Park. It would be a hell of a lot more work and effort to be heavily involved in DCFC. It's hard enough just trying to follow the football club you love, and trying to get your message across with all the genuine best interests of the club for instance on this forum, without a few people wanting to drag you down, so never mind being heavily involved within the club.

At the end of the day, we all want what's best for Derby County Football Club, and unfortunately people make mistakes, we are human, we all make them in life, not intentionally and sometimes it's not easy to correct them, moving forwards.

We failed to beat Q.P.R. without MM, we failed to beat Aston Villa with MM at Wembley, there have been ups and downs along the way, we will move forward with many more ups and downs to follow. We carry on loving and supporting the club.

Try not to let it ruin your health and wellbeing.

D.C.F.C. Love, Life & Unity.

[Derby blood]

1 hour ago, therams69 said:

Is everything hindsight though? I raised the recruitment department issue years ago and on various occasions. Asked about how many players were signed via our scout reports? No answer given and clear swerve. I had a good discussion with him about 4 players at the time (Thorne, Anya, Butterfield & Martin) I think it was. We were paying them collectively around 100k per week. 400k per month so just under 5m per year. These players were not even offering us anything on the pitch and were either on loan or not being used in the case of Anya. His answer was that these players can still offer us something in terms of other value with youngsters etc - I mean come on!  Lets not even go with his signing of Rooney (under mining Cocu) & Jordan Ibe. Actually starting to think he signed Ibe because he offers value in the way we account - 7m maybe eh.

The issue has and will always be that Mel Morris does not listen to anyone else but himself. Pretty much like the managers issue, Sam Rush saga (proven in court he was wrong) and now Richard Keogh who again has proven he was wrong in court - no apology or hands up to say look I got this wrong. 

Then you have the fact that he got rid of anyone that would question him. Where are all the high profile local people - Don Amott, why is he not welcome anymore? 

So what you are left with is a yes man in Pearce and his step son in the recruitment department, jobs for the boys an all that...

So if anyone is wondering why its gone wrong its because of Mel Morris and how he is as a person. Ask the local media who deal with him, when he is not banning them for having the audacity to ask a question mind! 

Fantastic post, you hit the nail on the head. Post of the season for me. Once A Ram Always A Ram. 

Edited May 12, 2021 by Derby blood

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

3 minutes ago, Derby blood said:

Fantastic pist, you hit the bail on the head. Post of the season for me. Once A Ram Always A Ram. 

 

 

[Amberram]

3 hours ago, Derby blood said:

Why has Derby fan Mel, made such a mess of running OUR great club, he has made more mistakes than any chairmen in a very long time, he took us over as a top championship team, good players, great stadium, and ran well from top to bottom, Mel in his time as owner has ruined us, Mods please do not delete, we have freedom of speech in this our great country, not up to you to delete this post, as its a fair opinion and not personnel in any way. 

Watch what you are saying, remember the hills have eyes   ?

[Eddie]

3 hours ago, Angry Ram said:

Everything 

Sausages?

[Angry Ram]

8 hours ago, IslandExile said:

Oh well that covers it.

Thanks for going into detail. You argue the case very well.

Been there and done that many times since Morris took over. I’m just on repeat now. 

[Mucker1884]

8 hours ago, Derby blood said:

Why has Derby fan Mel, made such a mess of running OUR great club, he has made more mistakes than any chairmen in a very long time, he took us over as a top championship team, good players, great stadium, and ran well from top to bottom, Mel in his time as owner has ruined us, Mods please do not delete, we have freedom of speech in this our great country, not up to you to delete this post, as its a fair opinion and not personnel in any way. 

It is up to them (Or @David, at least) as it's his forum, his rules, and you agreed to his T&C's when you signed up.

The word you're looking for is "personal", not "personnel".

There are already numerous threads on the topic of Mel Morris, and people's thoughts on the way he has run/is running the club, so this additional one isn't particularly warranted, in my opinion... which I'm allowed... what with free speech and all.

Other than that...

[WilkoRam]

I find it interesting that people are saying “It’s easy to criticise in hindsight” - I’m not sure what other sight we have in this situation. We don’t sit within the board and know the financial situation until times like this. We’re football fans who enjoy watching the game and support our team, I’m not sure when I needed accountancy qualifications and to find time to look through the clubs annual accounts in order to make sure I was up to date with how we were being run and could criticise prior to disaster hitting. 
 

Also every other aspect of football gets criticised after the event. Managers and the players are fair game for criticism post event. They tried to do their best for the club but if they make a mistake fans will be critical of them. We’re not allowed to do that with the owner though because he’s a fan? If he owns the club it’s his job to run it in a sustainable way and it appears he hasn’t done that and we’re in trouble. I’m not sure why fans can’t be critical of the mess he’s made when it’s now come to light. Were we critical of the money spent on signings at the time? No, but we aren’t privy to the details of it or our financial situation.  none of us could have said “you’re spending £Xm on player Y? Well if you look at our net income and our current expenditure, taking into account his wages over his contract as well, that puts us in a tricky financial position. I don’t think we should sign him” - because we don’t have that info. 
 

Mel may we’ll have had the best intentions and if we’d got promoted nobody would have criticised but it appears to have been a gamble that didn’t pay off. Imagine I went to the casino with all my families savings with the intention of winning more and setting us up for life. If I come back quids in then happy days but if I lose it all I doubt my family would go “well your heart was in the right place” they’d rightly say “you did what? So we now risk losing our house etc and we’re in a worse financial position? What have you done?” - there’s a responsibility with the owners to ensure there’s still a club and not just blow on the dice, give them a roll and hope for the best.