Reggie Greenwood

16 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

I'm not disagreeing with you in the sense that making an appeal is the right thing to do (I trust the administrators to know what they're doing) so, don't really want to get into an argument but, it isn't quite as black and white as as one outcome gives us £6m whilst the other saves us £300k. As I say, there is a third outcome whereby we spend £300k and still lose the appeal.

With regard to jobs, point taken, that is not really the administrators responsibility. However, either they found a spare £300k (that could have been spent on other things that helps keep the club afloat) or they borrowed it (thus increasing creditors). Either way, spending that on an appeal that was doomed from the start, wouldn't be in the best interest of the creditors.

It would have been a dereliction of duty to either:

a) fail to try and get the points deduction overturned if there is a reasonable to good chance of success or

b) fritter away another £300k on an appeal that has no chance of success 

I think you, me and most other people believe in (a) whereas @alram and some others are in the (b) camp.

I understood that the 300k has been stumped up by an outsider maybe one of the bidders ? 

15 hours ago, IslandExile said:

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They sound angels alongside the owner of another football club not to far from here 

6 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Only guesswork, but we were screwed with either amortisation method. EFL approved method screws us up to 2020/2021, whereas Derby method would have us in a tricky situation for a couple more years after that.

What happened to the stadium money GOC ? Thought that helped us swerve the FFP just 

9 minutes ago, Ravabeerbelly said:

For me Hutchinson and Watson proved against Salford and Sheff Utd that they are miles ahead of Dixon and Thompson at the moment, but ones a perennial unused sub and the other has disappeared of the planet!

Hutchinson is injured I believe 

Exec box at PP 

You need one of these @David to keep the pesky little beggars away 

A hard earned win batting first today v Sri Lanka. A brilliant ton by Buttler and some great fielding won the day. 

9 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said:

This was our fifth League game against Forest since our return to the First Division in 1969. In our previous two visits to the City Ground, we were victorious by margins of 3-1 and 4-2. Surprisingly we had lost the two homes my margins of 0-2 and 1-2.. The City Ground held 49k and the BBG 40k in those days (except for the near 42k v Spurs in 1969 which but for the grace of God could easily have preceded the Hillsborough disaster by 20 years).

The matches were not all ticket as I remember. It was pay on the day and first come first served. The away attendance for both sets of supporters was huge. There was no segregation as we know it today but Derby fans steered clear of the Trent End and Forest treated the Pop Side with the same respect at the BBG. The rivalry was intense but did not contain the bitterness that largely set in after Clough and Taylor's unfortunate migration down the A52.  However, hooliganism was a real problem then and care had to be taken outside the grounds in particular. However, the police presence in the grounds and outside was huge in comparison to today. When need arose the police were much more forceful than now, which kept the hooligan problem in check. So for most, fears for our safety were not normally as high as you might expect.

The City Ground was very different in those days, when seating was generally for the minority and the terraces for the masses. It was very much the working man's game for the prawn sandwich brigade wouldn't have withstood the crowded terraces. The Main Stand was largely the same structure as it is now except it was fronted by a terraced paddock. The Trent End was entirely covered terracing. What is now the BC Stand was the old East Stand fronted by a large area of terracing. The Bridgford End,was then an uncovered Kop. While, it was not segregated, that was where the vast majority of Derby fans gathered.

The Derby teams of that era, were skilled , attacking sides which were pleasing on they eye. Forest were more robust  with a back four of Peter Hindley, Sammy Chapman, Liam O'Kane, Doug Fraser and sometimes, John Winfield. They were more journeymen players who would not have found a place in the Derby side but very physical. But no team apart from Leeds, usually chose to mess with Derby with Dave Mackay, Roy McFarland and, when required, Frank Wignall around. On our first visit to the City Ground in March 1970, the Derby fans were stunned to find that Kevin Hector had been left out in favour of Frank Wignall. The 'King' was not injured and his omission was unfathomable.

However, Wignall was popular with the Derby fans. He was a playfully arrogant and confident man and a robust but skilful centre forward who could put himself about. While at Forest in the mid-sixties, he had won three England caps. Sammy Chapman was initially a striker understudy to Frank but when his limitations were realised and as the team went into a relative decline, Sammy was moved back in to the defence. He was a bit of a loud mouth who fancied himself as a hard man but really he just had an inflated ego. All ended well as the Rams strolled to their 3-1 win. But what was noticeable was that Frank targeted Chapman who was bouncing off him in aerial duels from the start and Sammy wasn't enjoying it. In the second half at the open end, in front of the Derby fans, as he and Frank went up for the ball, Sammy fell to the floor and required lengthy treatment from the trainer but he could not continue. While this was going on, the Derby fans went into a chant of "Frankie, Frankie Wignall la-la-la-la-la." Frank was in his element,.He responded like a world heavyweight champion. He puffed out his chest, raised his arms above his head and wiggled the fingers of each hand in acknowledgement of the fans approval like the true showman he was.

After the game when he was quizzed about Hector's omission, Brian Clough merely said "It was just tactical and something I felt I had to do for just this one particular game. Of course Kevin wanted to play and I would have been disappointed if he had shown any other reaction. But he understands and he knew before the kick off that whatever happened he will be back in next week."

The story that later emerged about this tactical decision was that Terry Hennessey, who had only recently joined the Rams from Forest, was still living in Nottingham and socialising with some of his ex-team mates. He learned that Sammy was bragging that he was going to finish Kevin Hector's career. This got back to Cloughie and was the seed for his tactical plan. So it seems that Sammy Chapman received the  physical lesson that he clearly deserved.

On our next visit to the City Ground, in the following November when we won 4-2, Clough made another tactical change. McFarland  was injured, so Hennessey dropped back into the defence to partner Dave Mackay while Wignall came into a front four alongside Hector, O'Hare and Hinton as the team shape changed to 4-2-4 from the regular 4-3-3. Early in the game, Chapman went into a sliding tackle with Frank Wignall in the corner in front of A Block and the open end. Frank saw him coming and came to a halt with the ball at his feet. As Sammy lay on the ground in front of Frank who as he resumed his run, 'accidentlally' trod on Sammy's head as he continued, much to the delight of the travelling Derby fans. Frank scored that day and his goal celebration was exuberant.

Anyway back to the real business of the day and our 2-0 triumph on the way to the championship as Forest headed to Division Two. As we headed for the City Ground, Derby had suffered just one defeat in their first 14 while conversely, Forest had only managed one win. But the game was not as easy as the Rams faithful expected but the result was just fine. 

I have so far watched every East Midlands Derby game since I started watching Derby. Except for its importance towards eventually securing the title, memories of this game do not stand out as much as others throughout the years, including the two previous Forest away games I have mentioned above. As we mentioned last week, this was Steve Powell's full league debut. I recall the two goals and Boulton's penalty save and that in the first half, Forest were the team on top. After the penalty save, I recall that Ian Storey- Moore hit the bar with a cracking shot with Colin Bouton completely beaten and that's it. But now I have watched the highlights, that shot is not there. However, to confirm I am not confusing that shot for anther game, I have now found a reference to it in Gerald Mortimer's book 'Champions Again.'

I see from the team sheet that dear old Sammy Chapman played in this game too. I do not recall him. Maybe he had learned his lesson in the previous two seasons.

 

That 3-1 win was my first Rams away game ?

England smashed the Aussies to pieces today 

32 minutes ago, Bob Mash said:

Hey Jude.. Well the last four minutes or so. We only have to sing 'Nah nah nah nah nah nah Derby' in time together. Dead easy....?

Yuk can’t stand that almost and bad as YNWA 

1 minute ago, Taribo said:

I do love Stevie Mac, I do.... but Christ, do we really need to be paying him, what will no doubt be at least a six-figure salary, at the minute???? 

He is here on a voluntary basis now I understand , stepped away from the paid role. Could be wrong though 

41 minutes ago, David said:

 

Sad news , looked after the welfare of his players very well. Gazza especially 

4 hours ago, plymouthram said:

Hope that it's not Dopey or Grumpy that get the nod

No they are posting on here frequently 

4 minutes ago, Yani P said:

I did think that was an hilarious story..looks like they have just dropped a 6m bill on the Admin hoping it will just get paid lol their owner really is special..

6 mill at 25p in the £ that’s down to 1.5 mill already ?

Just now, Pearl Ram said:

The new On is Wycombe have hit Quantuma with writ today in an attempt to sue us for their relegation last season. They are saying we should have been relegated and want around 6 million in TV money.

In my opinion, if that’s their issue shouldn’t they be taking that up with the EFL ? 

Hope Quantuma tell them to take a hike.

The weren’t even in the Champ when this alleged breach took place anyway. 

11 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

I’d like to have seen Festy come on in the 65th minute yesterday when Cov were tiring and run them ragged. Think Byrne is our starter at right wing back and up front is not the place for Festy to start 

I really think it’s tough to ask youngsters to step up to this level when not playing in their favoured position. Knight has done remarkably well in that 

Think that would have been the plan if Knight had been fit ? I would have prob started Sibbers and brought Festy on later . 

1 minute ago, Tamworthram said:

Just to balance things up, you did notice that Derby also hit the woodwork? and, unless it was unfairly ruled out (I’ll see on the highlights tonight) it was obviously not a goal if it was ruled out.

I thought a draw was a fair result. Well impressed with Coventry in the first half but, unusually and much to my surprise, Derby had the best of the second half.

Good to see Coventry back in the championship, I’ve never had a problem with them

I’ve never forgiven them for giving us Mick Coop 

7 minutes ago, Yani P said:

wouldnt mind but they were George at ASDA trainers..

They are like Michael Jordan Nike air ‘s in Sheffield 

12 minutes ago, Yani P said:

If Pol Pot was still around im sure the Premier League would welcome him as an owner if he was happy to invest billions..

In partnership with A.Hitler and A. The Hun 

1 hour ago, StrawHillRam said:

Let’s see if our efl expert can change things 2nd half. 

Changed things around , got a good performance and a point against a Cov team with a 100% record and had knocked 4 past Fulham in their last home game. 
so I would say yes ???

No never have never will. 

Just now, angieram said:

4 is a cop out, if ever I saw one.

What about every club that's ever breached FFP ? Is it right that every other club affected can sue? There'd be no clubs left! 

 

Agreed DCFC could / Should have sued QPR and Villa in particular and also maybe Leicester , Bournemouth , Leeds at al if Boro can sue DCFC. Where would this end ? 

38 minutes ago, Yani P said:

Is there a montage of Alan Hinton crosses leading to goals on You Tube? Not sure I have ever witnessed another player ever with his ability to provide pinpoint crosses over and over again..

And with both feet. Alan was unfortunate to be playing at a time that wingers were unfashionable at International level ( in England any way ). A better crosser of a dead or moving ball I’ve not seen. Beckham no where near imo 

19 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

Surely though if you take Forest for example their attendances must be of the same magnitude compared to ours over the last couple of seasons and they also haven't had parachute payments? They aren't in administration though.

Yet