Can we try something different?

[Ram-a-lama fa fa fa]

7 minutes ago, Archied said:

Your lucky , I pop a viagra every night just to feel normal in the mornings 

and it stops u rolling out of bed 👍

[Anag Ram]

21 minutes ago, angieram said:

I don't mind if people stay away from games, in fact I welcome it.

But people who moan on here all week then say thay go to games and get behind the lads aren't being honest with themselves. Because they go with the wrong mindset, and that first mis-placed pass or over-hit ball and the body language and then groaning starts. It's contagious and builds up during the match. 

People always say it's someone else doing that, but is it? 

I sit with a group and we’re comically cynical about the team. It’s a mechanism to help protect us against a poor performance. It’s like we dare not expect great things from our team.

However, once the game starts I don’t think any of us criticises a player openly.

I think it’s because we’ve been up against it for a few years now and every game seems important. We have become part of the siege mentality and we are mentally preparing for the next disaster.

Then we score and everything is great 😊

[Ramrob]

100% @Day 

I don’t post on here often but log on most days to get my Rams fix. But the last few months there’s been so much negativity and it’s seems like whatever Warne, Clowes, players or the tea lady (I’ve heard she puts the milk in first 😱) will never be good enough.

Of course it’s a forum and it’s the place to vent those frustrations but the whole vibe here is depressing. Wish @B4ev6is was still here to kick us all up the arse 🙁❤️

Now, I can hear some think ‘well don’t come in then or just block people’, but I love this place, the humour and positivity here kept me going during Covid and Admin, as it did for a lot of us I think. We need to channel a bit more of that. 

FWIW I think the two additions yesterday are really strong and we’ve had a very good 1st transfer window back in the champ. Don’t think we could have asked for much more given where we’re at the moment. Will they all be a success, who knows? But let’s give them a chance i.e. more than a few games. 

Rams wasn’t built in a day.

COYR 🐏🖤🤍 

#BeMoreB4 

[Ramrob]

7 hours ago, SaintRam said:

#BonersOptional

You mean #BonesOptional @SaintRam 🐶

[Sparkle]

I have never criticised the team or even booed and that’s having followed Derby for 40 odd years and it’s lovely to look like we might score a goal from a set piece having gone decades without looking like we could but I would like that with an intent to play lovely attacking football. I support the team but I feel we could do a lot better. 
Then again we always seem to have our player of the year chosen from one of our centre backs which tells some kind of a story 

[richinspain]

19 minutes ago, Comrade 86 said:

NGL, Barrow was a proper kick in the balls, not because I much care about the Cup, other than our travelling support and the cash it brings, but just because we looked feckin awful. I try to remain as upbeat as I can as I can't see the point of following any sport that turns me into a miserable **** for 9 months a year, I'd sooner take a hiatus, especially with no chance of a change of management anytime soon, but we just looked so half-arsed. If we'd run hard and just not clicked, perhaps I'd have felt different, but someone posted on here that they felt that the players had made less effort on the night than those who made the long return journey and I have to concur.

So can I still get behind the team? Hell yeah. And if I couldn't I certainly wouldn't be on here whining about it every day. Serves literally no purpose that I can see bar satisfying the urge to vent. Make your point and move on, is my mantra, but each to their own I guess. After all, plenty manage to offer their critique in a balanced and rational way and that's all good with me, but the ranting at Clowes, Warne and other forum members rather less so.

Looking forwards, well I personally think we had a pretty good window and the signing of Harness and Philips definitely piques my interest further. I initially felt that across a full season, we'd be about par, meaning either side of mid-table and bar Barrow, which I really hope was a one off, in effort terms at least, I've seen some positive signs. Against Blackburn, we played our way back into the game and looked most likely to go on and win until we went full gung ho and threw it away. Boro was tougher and significantly so, but until the loss of Cash and WIlson, we were right in the game and even though we rode our luck thereafter, I thought that defensively, we were excellent and restricted a very good attacking unit to potshots from 20 yards out for the most part. Against Watford, we again got off to a slow start akin to the Blackburn game and were distinctly second best for the whole of the first half really, yet we finished the game looking  the stronger outfit and were a tad unlucky not to come away with something to show for our efforts. Today, we face another decent looking side who have bought very well over the last 18 months, least to my eye, so I'd take a point now if offered, with a break after that for what is a very new side to get to grips with how PW wants us to play and each other's game. Yesterday we saw several posters immediately stating that we're doomed because we didn't sign a striker. I might be wrong, but I don't agree. Sadly though, I don't see any change as being likely in respect of the mood on here. None at all.

I pretty much agree with all of this, except the highlighted part. If a goal after 1'40" is a slow start I think you're in for an even longer season than many on here are predicting 😂😂

[Day]

7 hours ago, Day said:

Just, maybe get behind Warne and the team, full blind faith if that’s what it takes, just give this team a fair chance with full supporter backing?

I get that might go against your personal philosophy, the style of football you like to see. I get it will be hard at times if we’re walking away from games with 20% possession, we’re fresh out of League one, let’s have some realism on the current situation.

Hear me out, this doesn’t need to be forever thing, it’s a here and now situation that we are dealing with, we don’t have to love it, walk round with huge boners, but the least we can do is just get behind it and stop the daily whinging and groaning that’s completely draining the dregs of enthusiasm remaining amongst us.

We’re not even into September and it feels like many have just washed their hands and dreaming of the next manager, the next big signing.

We’re fresh out of League One, a club that’s rising from the ashes, where is the context, the patience, the understanding.

Please, for the love of all things Rams, just have a few months off and rally around this squad as it’s all we have now until January. 🐏

Sounds like the ramblings of a drunk man to me!!

[Comrade 86]

Just now, richinspain said:

I pretty much agree with all of this, except the highlighted part. If a goal after 1'40" is a slow start I think you're in for an even longer season than many on here are predicting 😂😂

I meant the balance of the first half Rich! An early goal is great, but we weren't at ti at all after that, until a much better showing in the 2nd half. Stop being mean to me! 🤣

[secretsquirrel]

Agree -lets have an amnesty until at least November-I understand some people didnt like Warne from day 1-we all have people we cant be doing with-I cant abide Jeremy Vine but lets get behind the team accept we will have at least 15 defeats and just enjoy the ride. Unforntunately we are up against some much better teams than us-all i expect is the workrate the team put in against Boro 

[BathRam72]

7 hours ago, Day said:

Just, maybe get behind Warne and the team, full blind faith if that’s what it takes, just give this team a fair chance with full supporter backing?

I get that might go against your personal philosophy, the style of football you like to see. I get it will be hard at times if we’re walking away from games with 20% possession, we’re fresh out of League one, let’s have some realism on the current situation.

Hear me out, this doesn’t need to be forever thing, it’s a here and now situation that we are dealing with, we don’t have to love it, walk round with huge boners, but the least we can do is just get behind it and stop the daily whinging and groaning that’s completely draining the dregs of enthusiasm remaining amongst us.

We’re not even into September and it feels like many have just washed their hands and dreaming of the next manager, the next big signing.

We’re fresh out of League One, a club that’s rising from the ashes, where is the context, the patience, the understanding.

Please, for the love of all things Rams, just have a few months off and rally around this squad as it’s all we have now until January. 🐏

Here, here. Well said Day. 

For me, I think the biggest take from this is the fact we ARE fresh out of league one. 

I remember the same boring arguments from the same people last year. As we progressed, they either came on side or fell silent. 3 games in. THREE!!! and they are back. It really is tedious.  What will be will be.

Yes it would be lovely to be entertained but even that doesn't guarantee survival.  For me, staying up at all costs is the target for this year.  

[Jayram]

1 hour ago, MaltRam said:

That's your right. I can't understand but I respect your right to that approach.

Please don't turn into a RoyMac, on here every 5 minutes torpedoing the rest of us though? 

Don't think you would, tbf. 

Haha don’t worry mate, only my missus has to endure me labouring the point about anything 😂
I absolutely love the club, have done for 43 years and counting and I have nothing but respect for my fellow Rams fans on here, even if we may disagree from time to time. 

[jimbo jones]

People have got a bit too excited about the 30% possession on the back of 2 games where we took an early lead against good teams and sat in…and admittedly an absolutely shocking performance against Barrow.

We had 53% possession away at Blackburn.

We will get dominated by the better footballing teams in this league, we are nowhere near them right now. If we can’t put a foot on the ball against the likes of Millwall then I will start to be really concerned.

[DavesaRam]

With the signings we made, especially yesterday, there is a chance that football might actually break out on the pitch! It has to in order to make these new signings actually worth making.

But whatever, we gave to turn up to matches and be full volume, give it our all from the start, which is what I said towards the end of the Barrow matchday thread.

Paul Warne said the “everybody back” approach we used against Middlesbrough won’t be how we play every match, and even though the Barrow match said the exact opposite, we have to expect that Warne was telling the truth.

[LeedsCityRam]

8 hours ago, Day said:

Just, maybe get behind Warne and the team, full blind faith if that’s what it takes, just give this team a fair chance with full supporter backing?

I get that might go against your personal philosophy, the style of football you like to see. I get it will be hard at times if we’re walking away from games with 20% possession, we’re fresh out of League one, let’s have some realism on the current situation.

Hear me out, this doesn’t need to be forever thing, it’s a here and now situation that we are dealing with, we don’t have to love it, walk round with huge boners, but the least we can do is just get behind it and stop the daily whinging and groaning that’s completely draining the dregs of enthusiasm remaining amongst us.

We’re not even into September and it feels like many have just washed their hands and dreaming of the next manager, the next big signing.

We’re fresh out of League One, a club that’s rising from the ashes, where is the context, the patience, the understanding.

Please, for the love of all things Rams, just have a few months off and rally around this squad as it’s all we have now until January. 🐏

Obviously respect the call to arms but reality is it won't change much. The points have been made a few times before but;

a) there is a difference between disliking the playing philosophy for entertainment reasons & disliking the playing philosophy because you think it won't work. I will always want Derby to play a more controlled, progressive style but I have no issue playing with 30% possession given the circumstances we find ourselves in if it is effective. I sense that is where many critics of Warne are coming from. Warne's previous forays at this level suggest the style won't be effective but I will personally wait until mid October before making full judgement on this. It isn't unreasonable to point flaws out in our approach though in individual games.

b) there is a difference between venting on the forum & venting at the matches themselves. I never boo the team, will stay to the end to clap the players even if its been pretty poor & will vocally encourage. Clearly we all need somewhere to let off steam when things haven't gone well & given a lot of posters on here are based away from Derby & don't necessarily have workmates who share their passion, this is as good a place to express frustrations around matchtime that at times might seem a bit rash/emotional. Denying people the right to do this is unrealistic & smacks a bit of 'groupthink'. There's certainly a core of decent posters here to challenge extreme views/provide perspective if needed.

Finally, if those not supportive of Warne 'have a few months off', your forum isn't going to do too well for traffic! There is a sizeable minority who have never been convinced by Warne (myself included) & so yes, we are picking up on any sign that he is regressing to the kind of campaigns Rotherham had under his management because we're worried & desperately do not want to return to League One. However if he gets the results to keep us out of the bottom 6, the fanbase will largely be appeased including on here - that's the bottom line.

[Crewton]

8 hours ago, Day said:

Just, maybe get behind Warne and the team, full blind faith if that’s what it takes, just give this team a fair chance with full supporter backing?

I get that might go against your personal philosophy, the style of football you like to see. I get it will be hard at times if we’re walking away from games with 20% possession, we’re fresh out of League one, let’s have some realism on the current situation.

Hear me out, this doesn’t need to be forever thing, it’s a here and now situation that we are dealing with, we don’t have to love it, walk round with huge boners, but the least we can do is just get behind it and stop the daily whinging and groaning that’s completely draining the dregs of enthusiasm remaining amongst us.

We’re not even into September and it feels like many have just washed their hands and dreaming of the next manager, the next big signing.

We’re fresh out of League One, a club that’s rising from the ashes, where is the context, the patience, the understanding.

Please, for the love of all things Rams, just have a few months off and rally around this squad as it’s all we have now until January. 🐏

[Tamworthram]

1 hour ago, angieram said:

I don't mind if people stay away from games, in fact I welcome it.

But people who moan on here all week then say thay go to games and get behind the lads aren't being honest with themselves. Because they go with the wrong mindset, and that first mis-placed pass or over-hit ball and the body language and then groaning starts. It's contagious and builds up during the match. 

People always say it's someone else doing that, but is it? 

I’m not sure about that. There could be many folk that see forums like this as a safe place (I.e. it won’t impact the players performance or confidence levels) to let off steam and voice opinions that they know there is no place for at the game. 🤷🏻‍♂️. That’s the hope anyway. That’s the thing about social media. There probably always has been and always will be the same percentage of supporters that are quick to berate the team during the game. The fact that people can now air their opinions more widely during the week on social media (rather than just at work, at home or down the pub) probably hasn’t changed the volume of dissatisfaction on match day.
 

I’m not sure we can assume it’s the “moaners” on the forum that do all the groaning at the games. In fact, I sometimes wonder if there are some posters that have a feeling of satisfaction when things aren’t going well during the game.

[May Contain Nuts]

Despite the intention, all threads like this do is make some of those who have a lesser view of Warne but who have the capacity to put forward a good, well reasoned argument feel like they're being grouped in with the people who go OTT and post silly stuff. 

Calling for full blind faith? Sorry but no. Publicly promoting the idea of an echo chamber isn't a step forward. I've often joked about the 'cult of Warne' but this would make it dangerously close to reality!🤣

From the title I thought this thread was going to be a out how we might try out some different tactical ideas if we're unable to bring in a holdup striker.

[jimtastic56]

2 hours ago, angieram said:

I don't mind if people stay away from games, in fact I welcome it.

But people who moan on here all week then say thay go to games and get behind the lads aren't being honest with themselves. Because they go with the wrong mindset, and that first mis-placed pass or over-hit ball and the body language and then groaning starts. It's contagious and builds up during the match. 

People always say it's someone else doing that, but is it? 

Agree with that . Sometimes the atmosphere has been better with 19,000 fans who get behind the team . Most fans are behind the team at kick-off but as the beer wears off after 20 mins and we are not winning - the moaning starts . All I require is effort from the players . 

[i-Ram]

2 hours ago, Archied said:

Your lucky , I pop a viagra every night just to feel normal in the mornings 

I take a viagra at night to stop me rolling over and falling out of bed.

Edited August 31 by i-Ram
I now see Ram-a-lama fa fa fa beat me to it.

[trappatoni]

I really don't care how negative fans are away from the ground - say what you think - so long as people get behind them in the stadium.   We've had enough clamping down on dissenting opinion in politics from the last govt which the current one seems intent on intensifying - when it comes to football say what the **** you want.