Paul Warne

[Crewton]

2 hours ago, BaianoPOTY98 said:

Who said I’d got the answer? Clowes went for the quick fix to try get us out of league 1, which looks like it worked. The other answer was to either stay with Rosenior or bring in another young manager with new coaching ideas to try get us out this league playing attractive football. As you rightly said if things didn’t go right from the off fans would want him gone. So maybe Clowes did get it right? My argument is I am paying good money to be entertained, which for 90 per cent of the home games, I haven’t been🤔

If you've only been entertained by 2 out of 22 home games, I think your expectations might have been a little too high, and if you're only attending Derby games in order to be entertained, then I can understand why you're not renewing. But for many fans, the entertainment factor is only one of many aspects that draw them to Pride Park. For a payment of what is effectively only £8/week, I get an awful lot more than entertainment out of it.

[BaianoPOTY98]

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

Try and get a season ticket at Man City then?

I dont support Man City😉

[Srg]

6 minutes ago, Crewton said:

If you've only been entertained by 2 out of 22 home games, I think your expectations might have been a little too high, and if you're only attending Derby games in order to be entertained, then I can understand why you're not renewing. But for many fans, the entertainment factor is only one of many aspects that draw them to Pride Park. For a payment of what is effectively only £8/week, I get an awful lot more than entertainment out of it.

People who pay money just for entrainment should try the cinema or theatre, sport isn't for them.

[On the Ram Page]

Two of David Clowes’ aims when he took over the Club were to bring integrity and also establish ourselves in the Championship within 5 years. We didn’t get promotion last year, much to many fans angst. On reflection, it was probably a good job we didn’t. We would still have been working to a strict business plan which would have tied our hands in the transfer market to some degree and made the season very difficult.

We have recruited quite a few players this year who will be able to play in the Championship next year. Some recruits haven’t been quite so successful. We will have a reasonable pot for transfers this year we have been told. Probably, Wildsmith, Nyambe, Cashin,Nelson,Elder,Ward,Wilson,Mendis-Laing,Blackett-Taylor,Sibley,Forsyth,Rooney should be ok in the Championship - I personally have more concerns about Smith, Collins, Barkhaizen, Thompson, Fornah, Gayle, Washington, Vickers.  We will lose Bird and Adams (for now?)

I think, with some shrewd business, we should be able to put together a competitive squad.

in terms of integrity, I think our progression has been amazing. There has been hardly any, if at all, negative news regarding our club in the media. The Management team all absolutely appear to be working together to a common goal. We have recruited (not to everyone’s like) good people, who want to play for the shirt, not just here for the money, as in the past. The Academy has made good progress in its rebuild and the are a few players who look to have good futures, hopefully as Derby players.

At our best and most confident, we do play some exciting football, score goals and don’t concede many. Yes, we would like to see more of the exciting times but our main aim has been to get out of this difficult league this year. Too often in the past we have had a soft underbelly and have struggled against strong, aggressive teams. We currently have a side, which mainly, doesn’t buckle against this type of side.

So I am happy with the progress of Derby County this last two years and look forward to what will happen next. David Clowes is a quietly shrewd business man and I think Paul Warne is an intelligent manager, who is a lot shrewder and football wise than many give him credit for. Not only this but he is a fantastic man-manager and team spirit builder.

Can’t wait to see what happens next.

 

[Anag Ram]

12 minutes ago, Srg said:

People who pay money just for entrainment should try the cinema or theatre, sport isn't for them.

I would take issue with this, as someone who pays a lot of money to commute from Bristol to utilise my season ticket.

I absolutely accept that this is a tough league to escape from and that some of the dross I have sat through is a necessary part of our progression.

However, in order to grow as a football club, we do need to play a better standard of football to get any joy against better opposition.

But that’s a question for the closed season. Promotion is the first priority.

Paul Warne knows that you have to work very hard to get out of League One. He has never had a squad to be competitive in the Championship.

We won’t know what he’s capable of until we have established our squad for next season.

Who knows, we may see the ball played on the grass yet.

 

[Srg]

13 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

I would take issue with this, as someone who pays a lot of money to commute from Bristol to utilise my season ticket.

I absolutely accept that this is a tough league to escape from and that some of the dross I have sat through is a necessary part of our progression.

However, in order to grow as a football club, we do need to play a better standard of football to get any joy against better opposition.

But that’s a question for the closed season. Promotion is the first priority.

Paul Warne knows that you have to work very hard to get out of League One. He has never had a squad to be competitive in the Championship.

We won’t know what he’s capable of until we have established our squad for next season.

Who knows, we may see the ball played on the grass yet.

 

That wasn't the argument being made. The argument is that you pay to watch entertainment. You don't, you pay to watch competitive sport with no guarantees beyond that.

[G STAR RAM]

43 minutes ago, BaianoPOTY98 said:

I dont support Man City😉

Doesn't sound like you'll be supporting Derby next season either 😉

[G STAR RAM]

24 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

However, in order to grow as a football club, we do need to play a better standard of football to get any joy against better opposition.

Is there anything to back this statement up?

Didn't we play great football under McClaren and Lampard and end up losing millions and millions of pounds every season, eventually leading to us being put under restrictions and nearly going bust. Not sure how that can be seen as growing as a football club?

[Stive Pesley]

9 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Didn't we play great football under McClaren and Lampard and end up losing millions and millions of pounds every season, eventually leading to us being put under restrictions and nearly going bust

Indeed - remember the much vaunted "Derby Way" that MM espoused? He said he would rather we play the entertaining "Derby Way" than grind out the type of sh*thousery 1-0 wins that we saw under Billy Davies. 

Easy for him to say while he was bankrolling the club but in retrospect, makes you want to weep.  

[TuffLuff]

I know someone every few weeks will bring up the Moment of Truth podcast up, but I started listening to it again Saturday morning after only listening to the first couple episodes when Warne joined us, and it’s maybe a really good moment in time to listen to it because there’s plenty to be taken from it about Warne and our coaching staff.

[Animal is a Ram]

20 hours ago, Nuwtfly said:

What is so outrageous about this statement? 

The current side is a bottom three side by championship standard. Think it’s way too much to ask of Warne to keep the current squad as it is in the championship next season. 

Bris is right - we’ll need to make at least eight+ signings in the summer to give Warne a decent chance of success. He’s earned the right to get backed this summer - let’s hope we’re in a position to be able to fund it!

It's not that there's anything outrageous about this statement, there isn't. Of course, he's right, but it's also blindingly obvious; loans going back and contracts expiring - we'll need those signings regardless of the league we find ourselves in.

It's that it consistently happens in the wake of a win, which makes it look like Bris is content to urinate on everyone's chips and bring the mood down. All people want to do is enjoy the good feeling 3 points bring, and be excited about promotion.

Let us worry about next season after (hopefully) basking in the glow of a first promotion in 17 years. I'm going to enjoy it and praise the good job Warne has done this season. Record points tally, record away wins in a season... it is about time the club and fans had some good times.

 

[YorkshireRam]

9 hours ago, Carl Sagan said:

I think we've got decent midfielders, but Warne's tactic is not to use them, and to get the ball wide as quickly as possible and then bang in an early cross

Tell you what's amazing- how Bird and Hourihane have got 5G/7A and 5G/8A, respectively, when Warne's tactic is ''not to use them''... Outstanding goal contribution stats for central midfielders; almost like you're just generalising since Bird particularly has also played some of his best football in a Derby shirt this season. Funny that. 🤔

[Srg]

7 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

Tell you what's amazing- how Bird and Hourihane have got 5G/7A and 5G/8A, respectively, when Warne's tactic is ''not to use them''... Outstanding goal contribution stats for central midfielders; almost like you're just generalising since Bird particularly has also played some of his best football in a Derby shirt this season. Funny that. 🤔

Warne has pretty much been trying to find Ebou Adams since the start of the season. Then he did, and not long after his other best midfielder in Max Bird got injured. Korey Smith was also injured at this time. His only fault was sticking with Hourihane for so long even when there were other options.

[YorkshireRam]

5 minutes ago, Srg said:

Warne has pretty much been trying to find Ebou Adams since the start of the season. Then he did, and not long after his other best midfielder in Max Bird got injured. Korey Smith was also injured at this time. His only fault was sticking with Hourihane for so long even when there were other options.

I agree, and I'm very glad he ended up finding Ebou in January, as to repeat the cliché, he was ''the final piece of the puzzle''.

Prior to him joining, there was a distinct lack of pace in midfield. When we were getting caught in possession, it was leading to dangerous attacks as none of the deep-lying players had the pace to get back goal-side when this happened. I half wonder if the 'get it out wide quickly' was as much a defensive measure to cut out these errors, more than it was wholly tactical?

Essentially, how much of this season's tactics were purely pragmatic? Did we have to resort to certain less than ideal measures to do the best with what we have? If our recruitment is strong over the summer, I think a lot of the 'negative tactics' people are attributing to Warne may start to wane as we'd have players that better suit his ideal system. 

[Srg]

3 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

I agree, and I'm very glad he ended up finding Ebou in January, as to repeat the cliché, he was ''the final piece of the puzzle''.

Prior to him joining, there was a distinct lack of pace in midfield. When we were getting caught in possession, it was leading to dangerous attacks as none of the deep-lying players had the pace to get back goal-side when this happened. I half wonder if the 'get it out wide quickly' was as much a defensive measure to cut out these errors, more than it was wholly tactical?

Essentially, how much of this season's tactics were purely pragmatic? Did we have to resort to certain less than ideal measures to do the best with what we have? If our recruitment is strong over the summer, I think a lot of the 'negative tactics' people are attributing to Warne may start to wane as we'd have players that better suit his ideal system. 

100%, we went into the season without our desired striking options. The one he did get was Washington... who's been injured (there's a theme of mainly older players getting injured here). He's been polishing a turd for much of the season. We can argue about who's fault that ultimately is, but it's all with the cloud of restrictions over it so we will never really know. He tried to get his Ebou with Fornah but it turned out he wasn't exactly that type of player - whether that was poor scouting or not, could be another question. Personally, think Fornah does have things to offer and could've been used more but he's another one who's been injured in the background.

[Archied]

2 hours ago, BaianoPOTY98 said:

I dont support Man City😉

But you give the impression that you are a football fan , a certain type of football too at that rather than a derby fan , you make clear your support ( going games and getting behind the team )can only be relied upon if the football is entertaining 🤷‍♂️

[Nuwtfly]

3 hours ago, Srg said:

People who pay money just for entrainment should try the cinema or theatre, sport isn't for them.

What do you think competitive sport is?

[ossieram]

Just now, Nuwtfly said:

What do you think competitive sport is?

Sport.

I don't find horse racing entertaining nor the shot put or the London marathon,  but they are competitive sports that I wouldn't bother attending. 

[Nuwtfly]

19 minutes ago, ossieram said:

Sport.

I don't find horse racing entertaining nor the shot put or the London marathon,  but they are competitive sports that I wouldn't bother attending. 

But people do watch all of those for entertainment, and take part in those to compete in what is essentially a game. They're not not entertainment because you don't personally enjoy them.  

I don't see how you can see football as being anything other than entertainment. The entertainment of the people playing it and the people watching it. That's all sport is at its core.

Do people saying all sport is just a "physical activity" pull up a chair in the gym and watch people go for it on a treadmill? 

Edited April 22 by Nuwtfly

[Animal is a Ram]

2 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

But people do watch all of those for entertainment, and take part in those to compete in what is essentially a game. They're not not entertainment because you don't personally enjoy them.  

I don't see how you can see football as being anything other than entertainment. The entertainment of the people playing it and the people watching it. That's all sport is at its core.

Do people saying all sport is just a "physical activity" pull up a chair in the gym and watch people go for it on a treadmill? 

The modifier you're missing out on is the emotional component for a lot of people.

I go to Derby games because I like watching football and I have an emotional connection to the club. I don't expect to be entertained, because it's not guaranteed.