BucksRam Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Grumpy Git said: City use bigger brown envelopes than Everton. Suspect Everton's were big enough to get the deduction this season rather than last...... Grumpy Git 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Unbelievably heard Paul Hawksby and Andy Jacobs on TalkShite this afternoon saying how breaches of FFP should be fines rather than points deductions because taking points away penalises the fans; financial shenanigans are nothing to with fans and so should be fines instead. Can't remember the media coming out in sympathy with DCFC fans when we were having points deducted left, right and centre. Quite the opposite in fact. But, of course, this a premier league club so have to be treated differently to lowly EFL scum. Comrade 86 and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Excellent timing for Everton, if it had to happen at all. They've had their deduction and they're only just in the relegation zone. They need to match Burnley's results, get 1 more point than Sheff Utd and 2 more than Luton and they're safe. There's no chance they'll go down. If they had this deduction last season, they'd have been 8 points off safety, the quality at the bottom is dreadful this year. It's a warning signal to other sides in the PL who may look to overspend but not actually achieve anything. You pump all that money in to things to stay in the PL, only to get a points deduction if you spend too much and possibly go down anyway. Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 What a f****** shitshow. You can keep the Premier League. Comrade 86, Ram-Alf, Ewe Ram and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, LazloW said: Unbelievably heard Paul Hawksby and Andy Jacobs on TalkShite this afternoon saying how breaches of FFP should be fines rather than points deductions because taking points away penalises the fans; financial shenanigans are nothing to with fans and so should be fines instead. Can't remember the media coming out in sympathy with DCFC fans when we were having points deducted left, right and centre. Quite the opposite in fact. But, of course, this a premier league club so have to be treated differently to lowly EFL scum. So owners who can afford to spend lots of money should be penalised by being made to pay some money? 😄 Dean (hick) Saunders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: So owners who can afford to spend lots of money should be penalised by being made to pay some money? 😄 Quite. But then TalkSport presenters aren’t exactly known for their insight or common sense (or any idea about what is happening outside the Premier League). To hear them speak there’d been no other club in England to have received a points deduction (kept going in about Rangers and ‘other big clubs’. Derby or Reading never crossed their tiny minds. Edited November 17, 2023 by LazloW RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: So owners who can afford to spend lots of money should be penalised by being made to pay some money? 😄 Yes, just like QPR when they got promoted at our expense.😡 Crewton and TigerTedd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 So presumably will be Chelsea next if going in order of Frank's managerial career (ignoring chelsea 1st spell) Comrade 86 and Ilkestonian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 hours ago, LazloW said: Unbelievably heard Paul Hawksby and Andy Jacobs on TalkShite this afternoon saying how breaches of FFP should be fines rather than points deductions because taking points away penalises the fans; financial shenanigans are nothing to with fans and so should be fines instead. Can't remember the media coming out in sympathy with DCFC fans when we were having points deducted left, right and centre. Quite the opposite in fact. But, of course, this a premier league club so have to be treated differently to lowly EFL scum. I remember a couple. Bit like I remember Ian Wright going on Talksport and talking about Derby being a club with substance and people were treating us appallingly, during their Lampard to Chelsea two week w***-a-thon. Spoilt their mood a bit Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 4 hours ago, CBRammette said: So presumably will be Chelsea next if going in order of Frank's managerial career (ignoring chelsea 1st spell) Seems like Frank takes a similar approach to club finances as Uncle Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Independent regulator is needed. Comrade 86 and cstand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) Points deductions make a mockery of the league. Been hearing more about Everton's plight and again it seems like some of the reason for the charge is an accounting disagreement about interest charges on loans for their new stadium between the league and the club. Where have we heard that one before? Edited November 18, 2023 by alexxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Meanwhile, Leicester and Leeds, those past giants of financial probity who are responsible for the introduction of automatic points deductions for teams entering administration, are planning to sue Everton for compensation. Comrade 86 and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric the half a ram Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Question, if the bigger teams, Man Cury, Chelsea etc, started getting scrutinised more closely, is that not increasing the likelihood of a breakaway Europe Super League, playing to its own rules? Like a kid on the park who picks up his ball and walks away from a game because he doesn't like the way it's going!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipley Ram Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Crewton said: Meanwhile, Leicester and Leeds, those past giants of financial probity who are responsible for the introduction of automatic points deductions for teams entering administration, are planning to sue Everton for compensation. Possibly into admistration? Those clubs will get a right welcome next visit to Merseyside if they pull the trigger on this. I've no love for Everton but really don't want them to be put through this s****. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12765089/Everton-NINE-POINT-deduction-administration-Burnley-Leicester-Leeds-compensation.html Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 TigerTedd, Eddie, RadioactiveWaste and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretsquirrel Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 If Man city got a points deduction of 50-I reckon they would stay up-probably have to be around 70 to guarantee relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, secretsquirrel said: If Man city got a points deduction of 50-I reckon they would stay up-probably have to be around 70 to guarantee relegation. Man City regularly get 90+ points. They'd stay up with a 60 point penalty. But we are way off that. They have been charged, but they haven't been found guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Eric the half a ram said: Question, if the bigger teams, Man Cury, Chelsea etc, started getting scrutinised more closely, is that not increasing the likelihood of a breakaway Europe Super League, playing to its own rules? Like a kid on the park who picks up his ball and walks away from a game because he doesn't like the way it's going!! Let’s hope so. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 This punishment of Everton shows up a massive flaw in the Premier League's rules. They have given Everton a 10 point penalty for making too high losses, but they welcome with open arms the likes of QPR, Villa, Bournemouth, etc, who all made illegal losses in the championship, in order to gain promotion to the Premier. Why aren't these clubs hit with points penalties either in the Premier or on return to the Championship? angieram, FlyBritishMidland, gfs1ram and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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