Old Spalding Ram Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 51 minutes ago, Henrycav81 said: What about the local businesses who’s invoices he didn’t pay, not to mention the DCFC staff that lost their jobs 50 minutes ago, Curtains said: Have you got statistics on this ! Pinched from the Telegraph. The "statement of affairs" report from Derby County's administrators has landed at Companies House. The document includes details of the club's assets and liabilities which are available for public view. It shows that more than £26m is owed to HMRC and £20m to MSD Holdings. In addition, a combination of football and trade creditors are owed around £15m. On the list of creditors, Derby owe £8.37m in outstanding player registration fees and £504,000 in agents' commission. Other groups owed cash include Derby City and Erewash Borough Council, St John's Ambulance, East Midlands Ambulance Service, Middlesbrough FC and the Football League ………the full list is out there if you want to have a look. Curtains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Henrycav81 said: He sits next to Chris Kirchner Haven’t seen him either for quite some time. As a lifelong Rams fan, Mel must sit somewhere Dordogne-Ram and CBRammette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Curtains said: We have to pay ! You won’t hear a bad word spoke about Mel from his staff. He really looked after them. until they were fearing for their jobs because he almost killed the club.... Curtains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 On the question of Mel he should always, and I mean always, be remembered for the deception that he fed all of us during the final weeks of his tenure. His obfuscation of the facts and failure to accept responsibility for a failed administration was and remains absolutely disgraceful. He said he put is in administration to expedite proceedings when the process almost led to our annihilation. If he ever had the audacity to return to Pride Park I'd want him chased off the premises by a rightfully angry mob of fans. The business plan is an unfortunate necessity. We need to prove we can be run efficiently and effectively. At this level, it hopefully will not kill us too badly. In the championship these kinds of restrictions would be a bigger issue. The EFL were a masterclass in uselessness, to the point that our captain on national radio called them out which was almost beyond belief at the time. Personally, I'm all for singing F*** the EFL as Parry hands over the league 1 playoff trophy. RAM1966, TomTom92, Amberram and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Curtains said: Don’t lots of businesses go into administration. Leicester City did and then won the Premier League . Mel obviously over reached to get to Premier League and we were close with Lampard . Never forget Leeds away . I’ve given it a lot of thought - the creditors that were stuffed, the football staff that were laid off, the young jewels we had to sell for pennies, the 8 months of worry for the fans, the ridicule, the relegation, the squad being reduced to 6 pro’s on the books, the diet of League 1 football - but boy that one evening in Leeds back in 2019. You know what it was worth it all. Lovely to have you back Curtains. Tamworthram, Rev, Caerphilly Ram and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 For me it’s not the way the EFL have treated us so much it’s how they have treated other clubs who are in similar strait’s because consistency is totally missing with a climate of totally changing the so called rules and interpretations. The worse thing - the absolute worst thing was the EFL allowing a situation to occur where we were being blackmailed with the very existence of our football club because of the actions of the owners of Middlesbrough and Wycombe football clubs. Indyram, Foreveram, Curtains and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sparkle said: For me it’s not the way the EFL have treated us so much it’s how they have treated other clubs who are in similar strait’s because consistency is totally missing with a climate of totally changing the so called rules and interpretations. The worse thing - the absolute worst thing was the EFL allowing a situation to occur where we were being blackmailed with the very existence of our football club because of the actions of the owners of Middlesbrough and Wycombe football clubs. Agreed. Of course I'm sure Bury fans might feel they really were hard done to. Henrycav81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: Agreed. Of course I'm sure Bury fans might feel they really were hard done to. The had a similar scenario but without the necessary financial revenue in the future to make outlay worthwhile for someone, fan or otherwise. We avoided it by the width of a gnats chuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 The 8 year contracts for huge fees at chelsea are surely suspect for FFP and disaster waiting to happen? So straight line amortisation but sell for huge loss year 4 surely massive loss booked that year for FFp? Players rarely stay 8 years these days? Sorry must have missed something as not really being discussed. Is that because only Chelsea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 6 hours ago, CBRammette said: The 8 year contracts for huge fees at chelsea are surely suspect for FFP and disaster waiting to happen? So straight line amortisation but sell for huge loss year 4 surely massive loss booked that year for FFp? Players rarely stay 8 years these days? Sorry must have missed something as not really being discussed. Is that because only Chelsea? It does sound scary but I’d be surprised to see Tom Glick preside over an FFP problem. Boehy has done the same w the manager I guess - it’s a US approach and maybe he’s pushing it through without thinking carefully about future accounting consequences. CBRammette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 12 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Agreed. Of course I'm sure Bury fans might feel they really were hard done to. They were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 DCFC under MM and the EFL. Two badly run organisations colliding; unfortunately one is beholden to the other. We didn't need to be put into the position we were put in, regardless of how utterly incompetent and vindictive the EFL was during and after. It was a situation of our own making initially. For me, this starts and ends with Mel Morris. Without him, his attitude and the way he ran the club, we wouldn't have even crossed the EFL's path in the way we did. He was still right to sack Keogh though ?. May Contain Nuts, Henrycav81, Elwood P Dowd and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) You can't saw sawdust, we are where we are, lets look forward to a very bright future.? Symptoms - Post-traumatic stress disorder This is when a person involuntarily and vividly relives the traumatic EFL\MM\Administration events in the form of: flashbacks postings nightmares repetitive and distressing images or sensations ? Edited February 1, 2023 by Elwood P Dowd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said: You can't saw sawdust, we are where we are, lets look forward to a very bright future.? Symptoms - Post-traumatic stress disorder This is when a person involuntarily and vividly relives the traumatic EFL\MM\Administration events in the form of: flashbacks postings nightmares repetitive and distressing images or sensations ? Are you a psychiatrist mate . Don’t change your day job lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 21 hours ago, Curtains said: I will never get over what the EFL did to my beloved club. Surprises me why other readily accept it It surprises me that people actively want to hold onto something that's dune and dusted and will only eat away at them. Accepting it is accepting reality. archram, Henrycav81 and Elwood P Dowd 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 15 minutes ago, Curtains said: Are you a psychiatrist mate . Don’t change your day job lol To old to have a day job ? Curtains and Dordogne-Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 22 hours ago, Curtains said: Transfer deadline day and clubs spending what they like ! Lets face it Derby troubles started with the appeal by the EFL over Amortisation and ground sale I think we need to move on from this, the past is the past, we need to build for the future, get behind the team and move forward Curtains and Bob The Badger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 17 hours ago, Leeds Ram said: On the question of Mel he should always, and I mean always, be remembered for the deception that he fed all of us during the final weeks of his tenure. His obfuscation of the facts and failure to accept responsibility for a failed administration was and remains absolutely disgraceful. He said he put is in administration to expedite proceedings when the process almost led to our annihilation. If he ever had the audacity to return to Pride Park I'd want him chased off the premises by a rightfully angry mob of fans. The business plan is an unfortunate necessity. We need to prove we can be run efficiently and effectively. At this level, it hopefully will not kill us too badly. In the championship these kinds of restrictions would be a bigger issue. The EFL were a masterclass in uselessness, to the point that our captain on national radio called them out which was almost beyond belief at the time. Personally, I'm all for singing F*** the EFL as Parry hands over the league 1 playoff trophy. good post Betty Swollocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 They always had it in for derby all they are trying to do is keep derby down and they have no intentions to help derby. DanS1992 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I’m not sure whether we have been treated unfairly or not. The only comparison would be how we are treated against other clubs in the same situation. In that case I don’t think we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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