Crewton Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 20 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: The thing you have to remember about being in administration is "the business has gone bust" - Whilst things like contracts not being offered to academy players was depressing, it's entirly understandable. You'll find plenty of (wrong, I hasten to add) folks who think the EFL were "really helpful to DCFC" by not doing everything they could possibly have done to throw us out of the league (becasue bills kept getting paid when they were due throughout the administration) whilst we were in administraiton. I was a very painful time, but there is no business going into administration that isn't painful, and logically, how can a business that is insolvent be handing out contracts above what has already which hasn't been sufficient to keep it viable as a business. I'll never forgive Mel Morris for that decision. Almost everything else, even the bad or questionable things, i can can give some leaway to. BUt for what he did, yeah. Get in the bin. I was only thinking of extending existing low cost contracts and offering minimal 1st year pro terms to protect the value of the assets which in turn provides the potential for the Administrator to obtain a better return for creditors. As it was, the creditors got no value from those players and the lower fees received in compensation merely went towards keeping the club going. Allowing something like that wouldn't worsen the position of existing creditors or create new unsecured creditors. CBRammette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 31 minutes ago, Curtains said: Sorry but I’m not keen on the Tax man are you . Because everything would be so much better if we didn’t have to pay any taxes ? CBRammette, Curtains and RadioactiveWaste 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Crewton said: I think the EFL rules preventing DCFC from extending the contracts of Academy professionals on low wages and offering professional contracts to players turning 17 robbed DCFC of sufficient players to run functioning teams below 1st team level, put additional strain on those youngsters left behind, presented bargains to clubs that we owed nothing to, and potentially robbed unsecured creditors from receiving further funds over and above what any prospective owner was willing to pay (eg : if DCFC had been able to extend Ebosele's contract on the proviso that any profit from a future transfer was split in an agreed proportion between the club and unsecured creditors, it would at least have meant potentially more money for creditors and no unearned bargain for Udineseford. It would also have meant that, in the event that the club was liquidated, the EFL would have been able to claim higher compensation from any club wishing to acquire their registrations). Their short-sighted rule also, in the case of Ebosele, meant that his Irish club missed out on a healthy sell-on fee. This is by far the worst aspect of it all even now. Why punish the club and new owner further by not being to sign the few remaining youngsters on longer contracts (not talking huge wages) just longer contracts? Also protects the youngsters themselves LeedsCityRam, Phoenix, Crewton and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Because everything would be so much better if we didn’t have to pay any taxes ? “You don’t pay taxes — they take taxes.” — comedian Chris Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 53 minutes ago, Curtains said: We have to pay ! You won’t hear a bad word spoke about Mel from his staff. He really looked after them. What staff? The ones made redundant at Derby? I know someone who used to work with him (not at Derby) - the word he described him with would get me banned RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, CBRammette said: What staff? The ones made redundant at Derby? I know someone who used to work with him (not at Derby) - the word he described him with would get me banned "Baldy"? CBRammette, The Scarlet Pimpernel, RadioactiveWaste and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I feel let down because Mel thought he was too clever for the EFL. He ought to have known they wouldn’t have allowed his alternative method of amortisation. He’d have stood more chance if he’d asked the whole league representatives about maybe doing it before doing it. Then clubs couldn’t feel aggrieved about his club having an unfair advantage. But, it seems he thought he could actually get them on strings, but it backfired spectacularly. But, maybe he had no other choice but to chance it as we’d be fined heavily and given points (which ultimately happened) anyway. Theres a tiny part of me that thinks he knew the EFL wouldn’t allow Derby to be liquidated. I agree with that too tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrycav81 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 59 minutes ago, Curtains said: We have to pay ! You won’t hear a bad word spoke about Mel from his staff. He really looked after them. What about the local businesses who’s invoices he didn’t pay, not to mention the DCFC staff that lost their jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, Curtains said: “You don’t pay taxes — they take taxes.” — comedian Chris Rock And your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, Henrycav81 said: What about the local businesses who’s invoices he didn’t pay, not to mention the DCFC staff that lost their jobs Have you got statistics on this ! Boycie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Curtains said: Did Mel have any other option ! Well, he had over 300 million quid at his disposal so yes. Could have given the ground for free instead of hanging onto it like Gollum with a feckin ring as well. That would have helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrycav81 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Curtains said: Have you got statistics on this ! Are you trying to say he paid all DCFC owed in full and DCFC didn’t lay people off when we went into administration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Henrycav81 said: Are you trying to say he paid all DCFC owed in full and DCFC didn’t lay people off when we went into administration Don’t lots of businesses go into administration. Leicester City did and then won the Premier League . Mel obviously over reached to get to Premier League and we were close with Lampard . Never forget Leeds away . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Only being able to offer 2-year contracts especially to academy players is nothing sort of shocking. Selling academy players is a clubs biggest gainer within FFP, and we can only offer a 2-year deal to Cashin and Knight and Bird etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, Curtains said: Don’t lots of businesses go into administration. Leicester City did and then won the Premier League . Mel obviously over reached to get to Premier League and we were close with Lampard . Never forget Leeds away . This was one person effecting his loyal fanbase and local business which also employed loyal supporters. Are you totally blind to this? Henrycav81 and Rev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, Boycie said: This was one person effecting his loyal fanbase and local business which also employed loyal supporters. Are you totally blind to this? Of course not and you know I’m not . People have to be careful what they say as it can be libelous . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Curtains said: Of course not and you know I’m not . People have to be careful what they say as it can be libelous . As far as Mel Morris is concerned, this Derby County fan calls him a massive cnut. Careful enough for you? i-Ram, Mucker1884, RoyMac5 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Rev said: As far as Mel Morris is concerned, this Derby County fan calls him a massive cnut. Careful enough for you? Wasn’t talking about Mel on that point . It was a generic point Edited January 31, 2023 by Curtains Added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I wonder where Mel sits now and which stand. I haven’t seen him for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrycav81 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Abu Derby said: I wonder where Mel sits now and which stand. I haven’t seen him for ages. He sits next to Chris Kirchner RAM1966 and CBRammette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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