Guest Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Yet, their all-time average (mean) league position puts them ahead of Chelsea and Spurs, and a median position ahead of Man City. They're only one of twelve clubs to have an average league position of top 20 in the top division. Quite right GoC as you usually are. For the benefit of a history lesson, you quote from my bible, which I always refer to in order to demonstrate that Derby County are still at the moment the biggest club in the East Midlands and have been since 1888: https://www.worldfootball.net/alltime_table/eng-premier-league/ As for the insignificance of the ICFC competition, in its time it was always recognised as the third European Cup competition, behind the European Cup itself and the European Cup Winners Cup. UEFA replaced it with the UEFA Cup merely to open it up to all clubs and not just the cities deemed big enough to hold a trade fair. The two legged final against Ujpest Dozsa is legendary in the annals of British football. It was televised throughout Europe and attracted capacity crowds in Newcastle (60,000) and Hungary (37,000). It was a huge competition in comparison with the referred to Anglo Italian Cup. Edited September 13, 2022 by Brailsford Ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said: Quite right GoC as you usually are. For the benefit of a history lesson, you quote from my bible, which I always refer to in order to demonstrate that Derby County are still at the moment the biggest club in the East Midlands and have been since 1888: https://www.worldfootball.net/alltime_table/eng-premier-league/ As for the insignificance of the ICFC competition, in its time it was always recognised as the third European Cup competition, behind the European Cup itself and the European Cup Winners Cup. UEFA replaced it with the UEFA Cup merely to open it up to all clubs and not just the cities deemed big enough to hold a trade fair. The two legged final against Ujpest Dozsa is legendary in the annals of British football. It was televised throughout Europe and attracted capacity crowds in Newcastle (60,000) and Hungary (37,000). It was a huge competition in comparison with the referred to Anglo Italian Cup. It was also the tie in which Geordie legend Bobby Moncur scored all 3 of his Newcastle career goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: Yet, their all-time average (mean) league position puts them ahead of Chelsea and Spurs, and a median position ahead of Man City. They're only one of twelve clubs to have an average league position of top 20 in the top division. None of which means that they're some massive club who should be challenging for major honours every season or that they've been held back from glory and hard done by by to be a middling Premier League team over the years. Average about sums it up. They're an average top tier club with occasional flurries of activity in either direction. They're exactly where they should be, unlike Chelsea & Man City who's place at the top over the past 15 years which has very much been bought and their stature inflated as a result. We'd probably be having similar conversations about their real size had they not had their Russian & Saudi overlords. Edited September 13, 2022 by Kokosnuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Any chance we could get this thread back on track discussing those cheating Fester coconuts not the geordies ? Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Kokosnuss said: The last 30 years? They haven't won the league since 1927 (before that it was 1909), the FA Cup since 1955 and their only European title is an Anglo-Italian cup win in 1973. They've spent a quarter of their entire history playing below the top level. How long can you be massive underachievers before you accept that your level is the one you've consistently been at for the majority of the past 100+ years? Are we really holding something they achieved 5 years short of a century ago as evidence to their size as a club? What success exactly is it that's being brought back? Ah yes, the glory days of 1905-1909 & 1996-1997. 7 seasons out of 129 years. They had a couple of flash-in-the-pan spells under Dalgliesh(?) & Keegan where they challenged for the Premiership title (as it was called all 25 years ago) but they were seasons in which the club overachieved, they weren't the norm, nor an indication of their true level. Their true level is lower to upper-mid table "Premier League" , with the odd flirtation with the top two, and the occasional drop down to a lower level. Exactly as it has been for the past 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90+ years. Victim of the north south divide. Massive gate, but season ticket cost well below average for the division. Wealthy owners will change all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Kokosnuss said: The last 30 years? They haven't won the league since 1927 (before that it was 1909), the FA Cup since 1955 and their only European title is an Anglo-Italian cup win in 1973. They've spent a quarter of their entire history playing below the top level. How long can you be massive underachievers before you accept that your level is the one you've consistently been at for the majority of the past 100+ years? Are we really holding something they achieved 5 years short of a century ago as evidence to their size as a club? What success exactly is it that's being brought back? Ah yes, the glory days of 1905-1909 & 1996-1997. 7 seasons out of 129 years. They had a couple of flash-in-the-pan spells under Dalgliesh(?) & Keegan where they challenged for the Premiership title (as it was called all 25 years ago) but they were seasons in which the club overachieved, they weren't the norm, nor an indication of their true level. Their true level is lower to upper-mid table "Premier League" , with the odd flirtation with the top two, and the occasional drop down to a lower level. Exactly as it has been for the past 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90+ years. The first part of your reply is responding to another posters timeline not mine, so I'll ignore it. The second part of your post depends on how you define success when it comes to Newcastle United. Obviously the ultimate would be to win the Premier League, but are you suggesting qualifying for Europe wouldn't count as a success? I'd suggest it would for Newcastle, not so much for Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 The Bin Dipper fans will be going AWOL again soon enough. What with them and Forest dreaming of 50k stadiums, why don’t the build one and ground share? Reggie Greenwood, ColonelBlimp, Comrade 86 and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Boycie said: The Bin Dipper fans will be going AWOL again soon enough. What with them and Forest dreaming of 50k stadiums, why don’t the build one and ground share? About 15k between them should do it Premier ram, RadioactiveWaste, Boycie and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 23 hours ago, Boycie said: The Bin Dipper fans will be going AWOL again soon enough. What with them and Forest dreaming of 50k stadiums, why don’t the build one and ground share? They can ground share at meadow lane. Allow rushcliffe borough council to develop that prime Riverside land and improve the west bridgford area massively. Crewton and Boycie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Losing again at Spuds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Keeping the red dogs off the bottom Abu Derby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 They do look pretty bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Fell to bits late on. Scoreline seems to be a bit flattering to spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Ruddy marvellous. Maybe when they're back in the EFL, we can sue them for damages. Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 As long as they beat Forest on the 3rd Oct I don't really give a flying Carl Sagan and Ted McMinn Football Genius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: As long as they beat Forest on the 3rd Oct I don't really give a flying I want them both to lose. Comrade 86, RadioactiveWaste, Reggie Greenwood and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 14 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Fell to bits late on. Scoreline seems to be a bit flattering to spurs. Seems like it was quite a close game, til Son showed up and blew them away. Pretty unlucky on their part that they felt the full force of a frustrated Son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 They have done Rodger’s dirty in the transfer window, yet you would have to say they have enough there to not be sat bottom. Think he will be asked to clear his desk for that reason, lift morale with a new manager bounce. Rodger’s will be fine, next destination will be Newcastle. Stick a fiver on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 On 18/09/2022 at 11:37, David said: They have done Rodger’s dirty in the transfer window, yet you would have to say they have enough there to not be sat bottom. Think he will be asked to clear his desk for that reason, lift morale with a new manager bounce. Rodger’s will be fine, next destination will be Newcastle. Stick a fiver on it. Rodgers to Newcastle and Howe to England. And Southgate to Middlesbrough... Only Rodgers will do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: Rodgers to Newcastle and Howe to England. And Southgate to Middlesbrough... Only Rodgers will do well. Really don’t see Southgate getting another manager job after England, will get a cushty suit job in the FA offices. 13 years since he last managed domestically, long time to be out the game. Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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