Ramarena Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Seen a lot of horrific, but unverified stuff about what has happened in Bucha online after Russia withdrew. But this is the first mention of it from any established media, who are usually running a good 24 hours behind, as you’d expect. Coneheadjohn and Mick Brolly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 On 02/04/2022 at 13:05, Stive Pesley said: I'd not seen that. I guess that's one of the drawbacks of running a dictatorship. When you scare people so much they daren't actually tell you the bad news Stalin apparently believed Netherlands and Holland were two different countries and nobody had the guts to tell him otherwise RadioactiveWaste and Stive Pesley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, BaaLocks said: Stalin apparently believed Netherlands and Holland were two different countries and nobody had the guts to tell him otherwise And the Dutch claimed both territories! RadioactiveWaste and Stive Pesley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 On 26/03/2022 at 09:26, GboroRam said: The visa process is so complicated it's really hard to get refugees in. I also read that Ukrainians found in the country with incorrect documentation face up to 4 years imprisonment. You'd almost believe it was designed to keep refugees out. Well, that’s what they voted for at the referendum. Oh! They didn’t mean those people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Boycie said: Well, that’s what they voted for at the referendum. Oh! They didn’t mean those people! Boycie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Actual war refugees > economic migrants women and children > fighting age men cstand and LauraH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 30 minutes ago, Anon said: Actual war refugees > economic migrants women and children > fighting age men people=people Bob The Badger and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: people=people Do you understand why this attitude isn't feasible when applied as an immigration policy? If we refuse to make any value judgements then our policy is simply anyone is allowed in for any reason whenever they feel like it. Also people=people is an utterly worthless platitude. In emergency situations women and children are usually prioritised for obvious reasons. They are less likely to be able to look after and provide for themselves. cstand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: people=people ...so why should it be, you and I should get along so awfully... ....I can't understand what makes a man hate another man, help me understand... Edited April 4, 2022 by Wolfie Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 16 minutes ago, Anon said: Do you understand why this attitude isn't feasible when applied as an immigration policy? If we refuse to make any value judgements then our policy is simply anyone is allowed in for any reason whenever they feel like it. Keep digging Farage! ossieram and Norman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: people=people In fairness, there is a legal and moral distinction between these two groups. Refugees have a right to seek asylum, economic migrants don't. There is a moral difference between having to flee for your life and simply deciding you want greater economic and cultural benefits somewhere else. In all realms of life, we apply context to decide upon worthiness or fairness but if someone mentions this with immigration they're slammed as an idiot racist. I don't approve of our current immigration or refugee policy and believe it should be more open. The government makes it far too hard for people to apply, settle, and live here. Indeed, some of the judgements against those seeking asylum are pretty abominable. However, the people=people claim doesn't apply to any other realm of life. It necessarily ignores issues of communal change and access to resources that can become problematic in neglected areas and small towns. It also ignores the countries that have seen a massive brain drain, people can make more money in bad jobs than in respectable jobs in their home countries leading to a shortage in labour which is harming those countries that need to grow the most. Edited April 4, 2022 by Leeds Ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 So Liz Truss trumpets that 60% of Russian foreign currency reserves. Just the 260bn odd available to spend then. The EU ready to apply a 5th wave of sanctions. All seems to be suggesting that the west not being especially aggressive with sanctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 My wife works with a Ukrainian woman, who's relayed the following. Her brother is fighting in the Ukrainian army as a conscript, according to her the Russians are leaving tempting bundles of supplies in surrounded areas, such as nappies, food, medicine and wound dressings. While booby trapping such goodies with explosive devices, naturally. Obviously I can't verify such claims, I'm just posting it here without comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 18 hours ago, Rev said: My wife works with a Ukrainian woman, who's relayed the following. Her brother is fighting in the Ukrainian army as a conscript, according to her the Russians are leaving tempting bundles of supplies in surrounded areas, such as nappies, food, medicine and wound dressings. While booby trapping such goodies with explosive devices, naturally. Obviously I can't verify such claims, I'm just posting it here without comment. Judging by the appalling scenes from Bucha, witnessed after the Russians left, those claims seem disturbingly plausible. Eddie and Mick Brolly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimmerman Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just watching the sky news interview with Putin's spokesman,he's being presented with evidence of Russian war crimes and he's just saying it's fake it's fake What a disgusting regime that they have in place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwash_Ram Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 i-Ram, Comrade 86 and ariotofmyown 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, Bwash_Ram said: Have you been to Liverpool?? Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Bwash_Ram said: He said outrageous things about Liverpool though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Bwash_Ram said: One war hero and one former comedian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 The truth of it is that Boris Johnson literally could not do a walkabout in any city in the UK today - such is the feeling against him. Never mind stab vests, the point that needs considering is that the Prime Minister of this country is more free to walk the streets of a war zone than he is of the country he is supposed to be representing. Ram-Alf and Ramarena 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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