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  1. Highgate

    North Korea

    It's a step forward from these two nuclear armed nation's egomaniacal leaders hurling abuse at each other on a regular basis and threatening the whole region with war. I think meeting Kim, without setting pre-conditions has helped calm the whole situation down, for a while at least. So that's something I suppose. But you are right, N.Korea hasn't committed itself to anything here that it hasn't done before. It terms of actual tangible progress on denuclearisation the meeting was a non event.
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    North Korea

    Or simply I don't think the economy has an awful lot to do with Trump's actions. Economies tend to go in cycles and he has been lucky with the timing of his election. Trump inherited a deficit that fallen 55% to 3.4% of GDP, a stock market that had tripled off its March 2009 low, and an economy that added 14.6 million jobs in the 6 years before he was even elected. His tax cuts are bound to boost the stock market, as investors realize that investments will be more profitable, the downside of course will be less money to pay for essentials like health and education. So, I'll wait and see how Trump effects the US and global economy in the long run. One thing we know for sure, he couldn't care less about the environment, and that's bad for everyone. So yeah, I think meeting Kim is about the best thing he has done so far.
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    North Korea

    The meeting couldn't have happened when Obama was president because N.Korea didn't want them to happen at that time. Now that they have nukes, they feel they are in a stronger position and have something to bargain with. Hence Kim's willingness to meet Trump. Everything seems to be going as planned for them so far. But I wouldn't criticize Trump for meeting Kim, despite the N.Koreans not committing to anything new at all really. It's the best thing Trump has done as president as far as I can see. Nor would I criticize him for suspending the military manoeuvres with South Korea, like many commentators in the US have done. Those exercises seemed pretty pointless and merely served to provoke and anger N.Korea. Trump press conferences and statements regarding the meeting have been utterly bizarre as you'd expect. Trumpian you could say.
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    Cake Gate

    It seems we can't even agree on the meaning of the word semantics. The irony! Thank you for introducing me to a genuinely new feeling, the momentary regret that I wasn't a rapist. It would have been the quickest way to expose the flaw in your arguments, however the moment was thankfully fleeting, I'm not that twisted. Whether our friend is a Nazi or not, provided we can agree what a Nazi is, is either true or false (just as whether someone lives in London is true or false) and when you don't know the facts you are better off stating that and suspending judgement, rather than opting for one position or the other. It seems like decent behaviour to me not to accuse someone of something bad, without having ample evidence, but it's totally illogical to actually believe they are innocent until you actually know. Remember we know nothing about this guy, except that he was at that gathering and he does Nazi salutes when provoked. He is not someone who is well known to me or I assume you too. Although maybe you know more than the rest of us as you pointed out 'he wasn't reflecting his true self' when he was doing the Nazi salute. I believe you have an unwarranted faith in your own psychoanalytic powers. As you pointed out I think anybody drawing a definitive conclusion on whether he is a Nazi or not, based on the paltry evidence is making a mistake, although clearly you'd have to consider him a lively suspect. I also said that those counter protesters shouldn't have even been there to shout Nazi at him. So I don't know how you know what my agenda is, if you could e-mail it to me that would be great. I'd like to know. Anyway I've zero chance of persuading you of any of this. So until next time, thanks for guessing I wasn't a rapist.
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    Cake Gate

    It's not semantics, you did precisely what you accused other people of doing. You decided definitively based on insufficient evidence (and remember that little evidence actually supported the opposite conclusion). If you can't concede that simple fact, then I fear for any future reasoning with you 😉
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    Cake Gate

    If you wanted to say, you don't know he is a Nazi, therefore you will treat him as if he isn't, then that's a defensible, maybe even commendable position to take. But you said 'He isn't a Nazi'. That's just logically indefensible, unless you know him far better than the rest of us.
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    World Cup 2018 thread

    It's totally understandable, but I wonder if Spain's chances at the World Cup have been damaged as a result of their decision. That ultimately should be their primary concern, rather than sending a message to Lopetegui or Real Madrid. The Spanish FA's prestige right now should be a secondary concern. Maximising their chances of bringing home the World Cup should be really be all that matters at the moment in my opinion. Sacking a manager on the eve of a World Cup damages those considerably, you would think. But hey, who knows, if they go on to win it, maybe everyone will sack their manager the day before the 2020 World Cup.
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    Cake Gate

    No, that's just not right. We simply don't know one way or the other, we can have suspicions but without enough proof we don't know, so we shouldn't state that he is a Nazi (which seemed to annoy you when others reached this conclusion) or we shouldn't say that he isn't (which is precisely what you did). Would you follow the same logic for any other variable about him? If it was unknown whether he was born in London or not would you then claim that 'He was not born in London' as it hasn't been proven that he was born there? Wouldn't you just be better off saying that it's unknown? Innocent until proven guilty is a maxim for the justice system (and with good reason), for everything else in this world, something is unknown until proven one way or the other.
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    World Cup 2018 thread

    Absolutely, it was seriously underhand behaviour by both Lopetegui and Real Madrid. But I wonder if the Spanish FA would have been better just letting him remain on as coach until after the World Cup, they have time to find a successor afterwards. I don't see how they have benefited by sacking him. And I don't see how Real Madrid have been damaged by Lopetigui's removal, everyone already knows they simply do as they please. They got what they wanted from this, and Spain's World Cup's mess is not going to bother Real Madrid much.
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    World Cup 2018 thread

    Don't see how Real Madrid have been put in their place. They behaved just as they wished, signed up the Spanish manager, announced it on the eve of the World Cup and now they find he can start concentrating on Real Madrid sooner than expected. Sounds like an ideal scenario for them. The Spanish FA has self harmed really, although you can understand their annoyance. Not sure Lopetegui will prove a success though, I'd be surprised if he lasts 12 months at RM.
  11. Highgate

    North Korea

    Positive developments today, or just a big photo-op for both leaders with little of substance actually agreed? I guess you have to give Trump credit here for talking to Kim Jong-Un at least. Apart from the concession of the US ceasing it's frequent military manoeuvres with South Korea (a good idea in my view), has anything actually changed after today's meeting?
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    Cake Gate

    That's absolutely fine and I think it's reasonable to be that cautious when making a judgement. I really don't know either, and that's why I haven't called him anything other than an idiot. But i think given his behaviour it's also reasonable to have suspicions about this political views. However, my point was that you didn't simply refrain from calling him a Nazi, you said that he wasn't a Nazi. And that is simply something you don't know either.
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    Cake Gate

    I agree that the clip is really only conclusive evidence that the guy is an idiot, rather than proving he was an actual Nazi. But how do you know that he doesn't actually have beliefs in that direction? The only evidence I see is that he was at a gathering in support of Tommy Robinson and that he enthusiastically performs a Nazi salute at the slightest provocation. Neither of those clues, you would have admit, preclude the possibility that the gentleman is in fact a genuine Nazi sympathizer. Don't you think the jury should still be out at least? Unless of course you are limiting the term Nazi to a particular political party in a particular time period rather than it's more contemporary meaning of anyone having far right political beliefs.
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    Cake Gate

    Good job by the police then. But by that description it seems that the TR fan club were eager to meet the counter protesters for something more than a friendly discussion. The violence that might ensue would then probably be used to claim that their right to free speech and organized protest is being attacked. And their narrative of grievance will grow. 'First brave Tommy put behind bars and now this attack on our movement'...and so on. And that's even if they were the aggressors on the day, if someone from the counter protest side does engage in violence first then their narrative is strengthened even further. That's why I think organizing counter-protests to such gatherings is a mistake, the motive is entirely understandable but I fear it plays right into their hands.
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    Cake Gate

    As long as they are not breaking the law, I'd be inclined to let people protest, even if I don't agree with their views or what they are protesting about. Counter protests can easily lead to violence if the two sides come face to face, followed by recriminations and an increased sense of grievance on both sides. You could just end up with something analogous to Northern Ireland's marching season and nobody should want that.
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