EFL Verdict

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

4 hours ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

So if you are selling your house and contracts are being exchanged you would pay the next instalment of your mortgage , council tax bills etc just in case even though legally you are not obliged to do so ? 

DCFC are legally obliged to pay their players.

Mel owned DCFC when the players were not paid.

His problem.

[May Contain Nuts]

Any discrepancy in the rulings between Sheff Weds and Derby here doesn't really bother me tbh - ultimately the end punishment is 3 points if we breach the rules again by a certain point.

There are differing ways in how we get there but whether it's someone paying players 1,2,3 or 4 months late, as long as suitable payments are made (if Sheff Weds only had to pay 1 month and the rest was written off it would be different) then the punishment needn't be any stronger for one than the other.

Let's remember that Sheff Weds aren't the enemy here, and throughout this whole thing we've thought that the punishments they want to implement are stronger than any 'crime' committed, so if the EFL now have the mindset to to administer the most lenient punishment that can that's better than the alternative.

Edited July 10, 2021 by Coconut

[RoyMac5]

30 minutes ago, Coconut said:

There are differing ways in how we get there but whether it's someone paying players 1,2,3 or 4 months late, as long as suitable payments are made (if Sheff Weds only had to pay 1 month and the rest was written off it would be different) then the punishment needn't be any stronger for one than the other.

Let's remember that Sheff Weds aren't the enemy here, and throughout this whole thing we've thought that the punishments they want to implement are stronger than any 'crime' committed, so if the EFL now have the mindset to to administer the most lenient punishment that can that's better than the alternative.

But it is - half of Wendies punishment is removed after Dec. 20 Who suggested the Wendies were the 'enemy'. Most are saying that yet again the EFL are not being (it would appear) even-handed in their punishment allocation.

[Rampage]

6 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

So what about the Wendies not paying the wages for 4 months? How many points should they lose?

Good question

[Chellaston Ram]

I’m happy to accept the decision as long as they now set a precedent and not just targeting us and Wednesday 

[San Fran Van Rams]

On its own, I actually agree with the 3 point suspended penalty. Not paying staff should never happen unless administration has been entered and even then it should be a last resort. 

The issue here is that there are historical examples of other clubs doing similar and going un punished, and Sheff Wed getting a seemingly a lesser penalty for a more severe crime. That doesn't sit right.

The fact this also impacts two clubs who have been in the EFL spot light in the last season speaks volumes too. This is the EFL waving it's 'big' (read small) dick around.

I also think Derby didn't appeal this as they probably didn't know what the Wednesday punishment was when they accepted it to get some breathing space. 

Out of interest, was it the EFL or the DC that set the punishment?

[AndyinLiverpool]

1 hour ago, Chellaston Ram said:

I’m happy to accept the decision as long as they now set a precedent and not just targeting us and Wednesday 

I'm sure the EFL will acknowledge your acceptance.

[G STAR RAM]

What am I missing here? Why is paying the players any different to paying any other debt that is due?

 

[NottsRam77]

2 hours ago, San Fran Van Rams said:

On its own, I actually agree with the 3 point suspended penalty. Not paying staff should never happen unless administration has been entered and even then it should be a last resort. 

The issue here is that there are historical examples of other clubs doing similar and going un punished, and Sheff Wed getting a seemingly a lesser penalty for a more severe crime. That doesn't sit right.

The fact this also impacts two clubs who have been in the EFL spot light in the last season speaks volumes too. This is the EFL waving it's 'big' (read small) dick around.

I also think Derby didn't appeal this as they probably didn't know what the Wednesday punishment was when they accepted it to get some breathing space. 

Out of interest, was it the EFL or the DC that set the punishment?

Wasn’t this purely because we were about to be taken over ? and like all company’s that change hands there has to be a period in time where assets and monies are frozen to enable the transaction to be completed 

with something as complicated as a football club sale .. and with what turns out to have been a damp squib of a potential new ownership group it’s seems to me the the efl have taken the first possible opportunity to slap their dicks in our face ?

have we a history of not paying our players ? No 

have we not paid our players before ? No 

was this because of factors outside of our control ? Yes 

if the bzr hadn’t taken Mel and the club for a ride then this would never have happened

think it’s a fricking P take quite frankly and part of their “with regret” couldnt contest the DC and their 100k fine 

think they’re being utter ********* towards us quite frankly and won’t rest til they have what they want out of this whole situation 

 

[NottsRam77]

10 hours ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

So if you are selling your house and contracts are being exchanged you would pay the next instalment of your mortgage , council tax bills etc just in case even though legally you are not obliged to do so ? 

This … totally utterly this 

the efl have just taken the first opportunity to stick is one

sorry but anyone on business who’s bought and sold a business will tell u the same 

your example above is the prefect example mate 

[Tamworthram]

10 hours ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

So if you are selling your house and contracts are being exchanged you would pay the next instalment of your mortgage , council tax bills etc just in case even though legally you are not obliged to do so ? 

Of course you would. The seller is still responsible for council tax until completion and, you’re still required to make your mortgage repayments until the mortgage has been repaid. 

[Tyler Durden]

11 hours ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

So if you are selling your house and contracts are being exchanged you would pay the next instalment of your mortgage , council tax bills etc just in case even though legally you are not obliged to do so ? 

Yes of course you would, you're legally responsible until the sale goes through so you'd carry on paying until that point. In our case it didn't happen though so Morris is still responsible for those financial commitments.

It seems very cavalier, reckless or just naive for Morris to assume that the buyer was going to pick up those financial commitments before the sale had gone through.

Sounds akin to a conversation in a pub when you're totally leathered about tapping a total stranger up for some cash. 

[Dean (hick) Saunders]

The fact that Derby accepted the penalty would suggest to me that MM was accepting also it was his responsibility as owner.

Derby have accepted the error so probably not the biggest place to throw rocks.

MUCH MORE IMPORTANT. When are we going to see the re-filed accounts and what are they going to show?

[gccrowdpleaser]

1 hour ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said:

The fact that Derby accepted the penalty would suggest to me that MM was accepting also it was his responsibility as owner.

Derby have accepted the error so probably not the biggest place to throw rocks.

MUCH MORE IMPORTANT. When are we going to see the re-filed accounts and what are they going to show?

Pretty sure that the agreement stated that the reworked accounts would be shared with EFL for discussion prior to any formal filing. 

That will take time for their work experience accountant to pick holes in.

[RadioactiveWaste]

1 hour ago, gccrowdpleaser said:

Pretty sure that the agreement stated that the reworked accounts would be shared with EFL for discussion prior to any formal filing. 

That will take time for their work experience accountant to pick holes in.

"Steve, these accounts are wrong. Find the errors."

"but boss, how do we know they're wrong if we haven't found the errors yet?"

"Young padwan, they are Derby's accounts, and as we've spent a year and half crying about them, they must be wrong."

[G STAR RAM]

12 hours ago, NottsRam77 said:

Wasn’t this purely because we were about to be taken over ? and like all company’s that change hands there has to be a period in time where assets and monies are frozen to enable the transaction to be completed 

with something as complicated as a football club sale .. and with what turns out to have been a damp squib of a potential new ownership group it’s seems to me the the efl have taken the first possible opportunity to slap their dicks in our face ?

have we a history of not paying our players ? No 

have we not paid our players before ? No 

was this because of factors outside of our control ? Yes 

if the bzr hadn’t taken Mel and the club for a ride then this would never have happened

think it’s a fricking P take quite frankly and part of their “with regret” couldnt contest the DC and their 100k fine 

think they’re being utter ********* towards us quite frankly and won’t rest til they have what they want out of this whole situation 

Having been involved in numerous business acquisitions and disposals, I can genuinely not remember a single time where assets and monies have been frozen.

Also this is not the first time we have paid the wages late.

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

I am excited to learn that I can skip out on a month's worth of mortgage and bills when I get around to selling my house though! That'll help pay the solicitors fees.

Edited July 11, 2021 by JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta

[NottsRam77]

2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Having been involved in numerous business acquisitions and disposals, I can genuinely not remember a single time where assets and monies have been frozen.

Also this is not the first time we have paid the wages late.

Really ?

Iv only bought one business and that was exactly the process 

why would u commit to paying the next mortgage payment .. DD on the next gas ,next electricity , next  business rates instalment after the date of an agreed deal ?

In my case it was all plain sailing but I wasn’t trying to pull the wool over someone’s eyes and do a runner at the last minute  

someone else pointed out this with the example of a simple house sale? 

Also When was the other time we didn’t pay ?

Edited July 11, 2021 by NottsRam77

[G STAR RAM]

1 minute ago, NottsRam77 said:

Really ?

Iv only bought one business and that was exactly the process 

Also When was the other time we didn’t pay ?

Who froze the assets and monies exactly?

Cannot remember the timing, will look back and find out.

[NottsRam77]

5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Who froze the assets and monies exactly?

Cannot remember the timing, will look back and find out.

There must be a point in time surely where monies are frozen ?? No ?

to allow for exchange of contracts and liabilities and so on and so forth