RadioactiveWaste Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Just now, Spanish said: I don’t think that will wash with efl though, what do you think? Surely everyone under contract should be paid. Rev, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong, r_wilcockson and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 36 minutes ago, Charlotte Ram said: Sheffield Wednesday allegedly only paying wages of players with resale value who could walk away for breach of contract, others not being paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Very harsh on Derby when compared to Sheffield Wednesday but we all no why don’t we ! just as a side note we have a season and a quarter of clubs having next to zero income so cash flow would be a problem everywhere. Derby4Me, RoyMac5 and RadioactiveWaste 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WharfedaleRam Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 And three points deducted for being in Derbyshire. Good old EFL - always fighting for fairness on behlaf of its members! derbydaz22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 More pathetic sabre rattling from a governing body so far up its own arse it can't see the wood for the trees. Their reputation lies in tatters and still they hound their own member clubs. This is the beginning of the end for an arcane, self-serving, Premiership lapdog and I for one can't wait to see the back of them. DanS1992, uttoxram75, hintonsboots and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 minute ago, 86 Hair Islands said: More pathetic sabre rattling from a governing body so far up its own arse it can't see the wood for the trees. Their reputation lies in tatters and still they hound their own member clubs. This is the beginning of the end for an arcane, self-serving, Premiership lapdog and I for one can't wait to see the back of them. Suspended three point penalty for not paying wages is the supercompromise that makes all parties look like they have gained /not lost in a difficult impasse. Not paying wages is easy to prove and should not occur. If we fail to pay wages once more then a three point penalty does not seem totally outrageous but could alter relegation or playoff standings. To me it is a reasonable outcome to a sorry protracted business. Now to get rid of the transfer embargo and move on towards so called normality. COYR Tamworthram, Ted McMinn Football Genius, jono and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-a-lama fa fa fa Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 bet the efl Derby county file is that thick its got its own room hintonsboots 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 The easiest way to avoid a suspended points deduction for not paying players on time is to pay the players on time. The BZG takeover falling through was simply not an excuse. Until Mel no longer owns the club its his responsibility, simple. Abu Derby, r_wilcockson, sunnyhill60 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: The easiest way to avoid a suspended points deduction for not paying players on time is to pay the players on time. The BZG takeover falling through was simply not an excuse. Until Mel no longer owns the club its his responsibility, simple. Think your being a bit harsh mate if the club were as close t a takeover as possible then like any business changing hands accounts and have to be frozen in a period in time to enable a transfer someone with greater knowledge on this than we I’m sure will be able to explain it better jono and Reggie Greenwood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: The easiest way to avoid a suspended points deduction for not paying players on time is to pay the players on time. The BZG takeover falling through was simply not an excuse. Until Mel no longer owns the club its his responsibility, simple. Trouble is, if the new investor promises to pay the wages and Mel goes to bed thinking all’s sorted. Then it’s not, I guess it’s Mels fault right? NottsRam77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Boycie said: Trouble is, if the new investor promises to pay the wages and Mel goes to bed thinking all’s sorted. Then it’s not, I guess it’s Mels fault right? It is his fault. For at least trusting the 'promise' of an investor. Seems a remarkably cavalier approach to payment of employees' salaries. r_wilcockson, Tyler Durden, NottsRam77 and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 If there is an (unspoken) agreement that the EFL will accept the new accounts when resubmitted and drop their vendetta against the club, then this is just about an OK price to be paid for that. But if no such agreement is in place, then this is ridiculous. And should have been contested. NottsRam77 and Rampage 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 It's pretty shoddy for any business not to be paying employees wages. Think we got off lightly with a suspended points deduction as players could have claimed breach of contract and walked for nothing. GenBr and Tamworthram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: It's pretty shoddy for any business not to be paying employees wages. Think we got off lightly with a suspended points deduction as players could have claimed breach of contract and walked for nothing. Only if they didn’t get paid for 2 weeks. And then they have to give another 2 weeks notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, tinman said: Only if they didn’t get paid for 2 weeks. And then they have to give another 2 weeks notice. Absolutely. Not sure why the notice period is important to mention but yes totally true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 I am not in principle against this suspended sanction, and it just serves as a reminder to ensure we don't let it happen again. However, I fail to see how it is fair for us to be deducted three points for a second breach, when Sheffield Wednesday have not been deducted any points for four consecutive breaches. Where is the consistency in that? I don't want to see SW being deducted points either, but this does seem to me like Derby being treated more harshly than another club. jono, ariotofmyown, Comrade 86 and 4 others 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, angieram said: I am not in principle against this suspended sanction, and it just serves as a reminder to ensure we don't let it happen again. However, I fail to see how it is fair for us to be deducted three points for a second breach, when Sheffield Wednesday have not been deducted any points for four consecutive breaches. Where is the consistency in that? I don't want to see SW being deducted points either, but this does seem to me like Derby being treated more harshly than another club. And I fear this is going to be the case going forward. We. To the EFL are the bad guys. RadioactiveWaste and jono 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Rampage said: Suspended three point penalty for not paying wages is the supercompromise that makes all parties look like they have gained /not lost in a difficult impasse. Not paying wages is easy to prove and should not occur. If we fail to pay wages once more then a three point penalty does not seem totally outrageous but could alter relegation or playoff standings. To me it is a reasonable outcome to a sorry protracted business. Now to get rid of the transfer embargo and move on towards so called normality. COYR So what about the Wendies not paying the wages for 4 months? How many points should they lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, angieram said: I am not in principle against this suspended sanction, and it just serves as a reminder to ensure we don't let it happen again. However, I fail to see how it is fair for us to be deducted three points for a second breach, when Sheffield Wednesday have not been deducted any points for four consecutive breaches. Where is the consistency in that? I don't want to see SW being deducted points either, but this does seem to me like Derby being treated more harshly than another club. It's yet another example of the EFL making up rules and punishments on the fly - if they want to penalise this sort of breach (which I don't have an issue with in principle), the rules and the penalties should be set out in black and white so that everyone knows shere they stand. The other question is whether it's an appropriate way to punish clubs? - embargos and penalty points seem to be punishing clubs that are already struggling and actually push them further up the smelly creek. I'd have thought the underlying principle of the EFL was to protect its clubs, rather than continually look for inventive ways to push them closer to oblivion..... RoyMac5, Rampage, Ramarena and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, Gaspode said: It's yet another example of the EFL making up rules and punishments on the fly - if they want to penalise this sort of breach (which I don't have an issue with in principle), the rules and the penalties should be set out in black and white so that everyone knows shere they stand. The other question is whether it's an appropriate way to punish clubs? - embargos and penalty points seem to be punishing clubs that are already struggling and actually push them further up the smelly creek. I'd have thought the underlying principle of the EFL was to protect its clubs, rather than continually look for inventive ways to push them closer to oblivion..... Exactly. It's not as if this is the first time it's happened so there should already be a precedent. jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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