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  1. This group have already asked RamsTrust to step aside and let administrators find a buyer.
  2. This sounds like a great approach. Can mods help get a thread started and pinned (or propose an alternative solution) to help identify those who want to be involved and to get this started please?
  3. A thought. Even if we as supporters cannot muster enough to invoke a full acquisition, can we push for at least a sizeable investment which gives us a seat at the decision making table? Not sure how palatable it'll be for new investors not to have full control, but could reduce the amount needed to purchase/ pay off the debt which could be a huge stumbling block for any interested party.
  4. Let's start with point one then - the 73 forum members who have said yes in the poll. Can we get a separate forum channel or something set up to get the discussions going? Probably need to assign roles and get a call in asap to get the ball rolling.
  5. Don't understand why people are just shooting this idea down. Raising sufficient funds to pay the debts is the big issue here, followed by addressing the most expensive outgoings. Governance etc. can be sorted with a common sense approach. I'm keen to support a fan owned model as much as I can. @LeedsCityRam do you have a view as to the roadmap needed over the next few weeks to get us in a position to do it?
  6. I see what you mean but I'm not sure what rule or law there is against that unless it's a specific EFL one. Intercompany loans are common.
  7. Clubs will have all kinds of loans from the same bank, investor etc. Only an ownership interest would result in a conflict I'd have thought. I'm not aware MSD own any interest in other clubs.
  8. The timing is so odd in satisfying the Barclays charge. Only reason i can think of is that it makes it easier for MSD to take control of the stadium and Moor Farm. Perhaps it was more palatable for Mel to transfer these assets to MSD this way as opposed to selling it to them out right. Doesn't make a lot of sense in my mind unless MSD expect to buy the club. Even then, I keep coming back to the question as to why MSD didn't just buy the club from Mel as opposed to letting it get into this mess. Assume it's cheaper for them to do it this way and they've just had Mel's pants down. You mention their additional financing. Did MSD provide additional funding recently?
  9. In case of interest, here is the charge document in relation to the MSD loan on the stadium https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11420393/filing-history/MzI3NTA4MjQ4OWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0 And here is the one on the training grounds https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00049139/filing-history/MzI4MDU3NTg5MmFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0
  10. Interesting on Barclays being paid back. Where did you get that info? Completely agree it would be strange to pay them off if admin was planned. Pinsent link is probably a long shot, but gives hope. Any buying firm would have seen the run rate and the growing debt and could have seen this coming so it's a distinct possibility a buyer is waiting in the wings.
  11. The MSD link is interesting. There's a link in another thread to an article about a similar loan to Sunderland which was secured against club assets. If the club transfers to MSD in the event the club defaults on the loan, perhaps this is a cheaper way for MSD to take control. I don't understand why the statement was so complimentary of MSD if this is the case, unless they had a hand in writing it as a way of getting fans onside early. It does seem there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. We're not formally in admin yet and it does seem that MSD will ultimately make that decision.
  12. Isn't the stadium a community asset or something that protects it status?
  13. Completely agree that is the riches of the prem which make it extremely difficult for clubs below to adopt a partially fan owned structure. However, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be. The Prem is what is wrecking English football and our pyramid. It will turn into a US type league at some point soon with franchise clubs who can't get relegated and the rest left to fend for themselves, probably much more like football was pre Premier league. And I think this is exactly why football is broken. It governed as a business. It shouldn't be subject to the same rules as private companies who have little public utility. Football clubs are more like local infrastructure and need protecting on behalf of the communities they are so vital for. It'll take a wide reaching change with new regs and agreement from premiership clubs for fan ownership and for boards to run clubs in the interests of fans as opposed to their millionaire shareholders but I'm starting to think it's the only option.
  14. I saw a post on Twitter earlier calling into question the Board and the fact it consisted of Mel as owner and chair, Pearce as the CEO and ultimately Mel's lackey, and Roy McFarland as an ex player and kind of fan representative. The premise being that the Derby board wasn't strong or experienced enough to properly run the club with an inability to challenge the decisions being made to ensure they were being done in the best and long term interests of the club and it's supporter base. Football is no longer a sport but a business and fans are not always front and center of club owner, Board, or senior management's thoughts. The promise of riches is. This is the disconnect we're now seeing and which ultimately is causing the strife at Derby, and has caused the myriad of issues at other clubs in the EFL. One way to potentially solve this is by improving board governance. Ensuring there are independent directors appointed with veto voting rights that have a duty to act in the best interests of supporters, but are experienced and knowledgeable enough to understand the business risks associated with the decisions being made and the ability to challenge and push back as needed. I'm not saying that this would have solved all issues. But, given the problems with Sam Rush, the seeming ineptitude of Pearce (or his complete inability to stand up to his boss) and the gambling without consequence of Mel Morris, it may lessened the likelihood of administration. We need to learn from history and do what we can to stop it happening again, or stop it from happening to others.
  15. I'm starting to wonder whether that is really the aim or if the aim should be to have a sustainable club which plays good football week to week? Supporting a football club is unlike anything I can think of. It's tribal. It's a romance. It's a rollercoaster of emotions. It's the thing you have no control over yet yearn for it do the best it possibly can, and shout as loudly as you can to 'help' it do that. Ive got to the point that all I want is to be able watch Derby be competitive in the league it is in. Score goals. Play some good looking football. Show passion for badge. The current structure of the premier and English football League is so utterly broken that's its untenable to compete in the top league without a billionaire backer who wants to use it as a vanity project. This is now impacting the second tier to the point where it's getting to be the same. You can't compete without rolling the dice and spending above your means. As many others have said. Football as we know it is dying. The European Super League will go ahead at some point in the future as soon as fans realize the league pyramid we love isn't a pyramid at all and relegation will only impact those clubs who aren't being funded by billionaires.
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