i-Ram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, Tamworthram said: Exactly. It's not as if this is the first time it's happened so there should already be a precedent. Anyone heard of Notts Forest - no? me neither - didn’t pay their players in March 2016, and not for the first time as I recall. Carry on. Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Boycie said: Trouble is, if the new investor promises to pay the wages and Mel goes to bed thinking all’s sorted. Then it’s not, I guess it’s Mels fault right? If its payroll time and you own the club then you pay the players and staff. It's as simple as that in my mind. If Mel went to bed hoping BZG would come through then as harsh as it sounds, more fool him. Derby blood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Anyone heard of Notts Forest - no? me neither - didn’t pay their players in March 2016, and not for the first time as I recall. Carry on. You can’t realistically expect the elf to go back to 2016 to punish a club, oh wait. GenBr, i-Ram, RadioactiveWaste and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 33 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: If its payroll time and you own the club then you pay the players and staff. It's as simple as that in my mind. If Mel went to bed hoping BZG would come through then as harsh as it sounds, more fool him. So if you are selling your house and contracts are being exchanged you would pay the next instalment of your mortgage , council tax bills etc just in case even though legally you are not obliged to do so ? NottsRam77, jono and derbydaz22 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Foreveram said: You can’t realistically expect the elf to go back to 2016 to punish a club, oh wait. Ramarena, rynny, ariotofmyown and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said: So if you are selling your house and contracts are being exchanged you would pay the next instalment of your mortgage , council tax bills etc just in case even though legally you are not obliged to do so ? Yes you would, and you are legally obliged to. Other than that you nailed it with that analogy. Edited July 10, 2021 by i-Ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Yes you would, and you are legally obliged to. Other than that you nailed it with that analogy. Should I say at the point of sale then. Then if the sale falls through at the last minute you would make other arrangements to pay when known which is precisely what Mel did. Edited July 10, 2021 by Reggie Greenwood Added a bit jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Whether we think it's harsh compared to Sheff Weds is pretty irrelevant when the club have accepted the penalty rather than appealing and sending it to a DC. jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said: Should I say at the point of sale then. Then if the sale falls through at the last minute you would make other arrangements to pay when known which is precisely what Mel did. If it falls through at the last minute you haven't reached the point of sale. Like Mel didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, Foreveram said: You can’t realistically expect the elf to go back to 2016 to punish a club, oh wait. I don’t think that’s the point. The “crime” has been committed in the past by a number of clubs and therefore a precedent should have been set by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 17 hours ago, Spanish said: This what I am worried about hopefully we will not be dealt with more harshly than covid hit clubs We are all COVID affected clubs, Reading average what 10-12000 per game so that’s £8mish lost to COVID, we average about 26,000 so that would be a loss of £20mish if you add food, drink and hospitality then the loss comparison gets even bigger. COVID affected the clubs with bigger fan bases more. I don’t agree with Maguire on this, the EFL should deduct what they judge clubs have lost due to Covid-19 and then treat everyone the same. They should have come up with a formula for this by now. Clubs like Stoke and Reading who have huge losses should be treated in the same way as SWFC and DCFC San Fran Van Rams, Carnero and Tamworthram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 39 minutes ago, i-Ram said: According to wickipedia an elf is a humanoid supernatural being with magical powers so I think I was right ? jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, Carnero said: Whether we think it's harsh compared to Sheff Weds is pretty irrelevant when the club have accepted the penalty rather than appealing and sending it to a DC. Well after saying we were trying to 'build bridges' with the EFL it'd be a little soon to appeal to a DC!!! We're no doubt 'keeping our powder dry' for later. They know that too. Why not 3 points suspended until January - similar to the Wendies? r_wilcockson and Jimbo Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 50 minutes ago, Carnero said: Whether we think it's harsh compared to Sheff Weds is pretty irrelevant when the club have accepted the penalty rather than appealing and sending it to a DC. Ha, but did we know they had treated SW differently? I bet not! CBRammette and RoyMac5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taribo Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 This a good and fair punishment isn’t it? We didn’t pay our players, we know that’s a big deal with the EFL, but if we pay players next season - like a club should - then we get away scot-free. Or have I missed something? jono and Tamworthram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Taribo said: This a good and fair punishment isn’t it? We didn’t pay our players, we know that’s a big deal with the EFL, but if we pay players next season - like a club should - then we get away scot-free. Or have I missed something? You missed that another EFL club (Sheff Weds) didn't pay their players for 4 months and got what might be seen as a more lenient punishment. jono, Tamworthram and Gisby 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: You missed that another EFL club (Sheff Weds) didn't pay their players for 4 months and got what might be seen as a more lenient punishment. EFL charge sheet meeting. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Submit the accounts, come out of embargo. Pay employees, don't get points deducted. 'I thought someone else was going to do it' is the equivalent of 'the dog ate my homework'. Sheffield Wednesday's punishment is neither here nor there if DCFC have accepted their punishment. The club saying' 'What about them?' is just going to make Derby look like Wycombe of Middlesbrough. Distasteful. The professional standing thing seems a bit excessive to me, especially as it was in a competition that has nothing to do with the EFL and in extreme circumstances. Perhaps the club can call in the FA on their behalf as a character witness, though I'm not sure anyone thinks DCFC's character is all that at the moment. Looking forward to the 2019 accounts. Someone at the club is sure they left them here somewhere. DCFC1388, RadioactiveWaste and Ted McMinn Football Genius 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Carnero said: Whether we think it's harsh compared to Sheff Weds is pretty irrelevant when the club have accepted the penalty rather than appealing and sending it to a DC. Indeed, I think this is part of the new charm offensive with the EFL mentioned by Pearce. jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 So to recap we fail to pay one period of players wages on the day due so we get 3pts deduction suspended for a year Sheffield Wednesday fail to pay 4 periods of wages due 6pts deduction with 3pts removed by Christmas and the other 3 points carried over until June so there we have it the new settled standard for the EFL - consistent isn’t it ??? meanwhile despite being unable to pay one months wage payment ( on time) the EFL are happy to take £100,000 of us whilst wanting to relegate us and take a further guaranteed £6 million of us on top. rainram and RoyMac5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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