Yankee Doodle Derby

[DCFC1388]

32 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

Just with regard to our current state of play 

is anybody else a little more worried today ?

IF there’s a takeover happening … and IF they had money .. and IF our new  reinstated accounts were ok 

why would we be shopping for the likes of stearman and jags.

donr get me wrong I’m not writing anyone off before they’ve even signed or kicked a ball for us 

and I certainly don’t expect fireworks and marquee signings again .. but u know what I mean 

or are we that desperate to get some bodies in 

Rooney has said he has players who want to join us already lined up which cannot be completed yet.

Really no harm or worry having players come in to train and get fit, could be that they are in the building ready in case the takeover doesnt go through and we cant get the players already lined up, similar to how we got CKR last season.

The alternative is pin our hopes on our takeover and if it doesnt happen in time then we will be picking from the remaining free agents who are unfit and nowhere near ready to play...which is when fans will moan that we didnt plan for the takeover not happening.

[MaltRam]

9 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

Rooney has said he has players who want to join us already lined up which cannot be completed yet.

Has he? Missed it...could you link to that, please?

Edited July 6, 2021 by Needlesh

[CBRammette]

34 minutes ago, Charlotte Ram said:

Currently the CEO of Derby County is Pearce, not Mel Morris who at this point in time only remains as the owner and sole shareholder.

In a UK company the CEO is responsible for the day to day running of all aspects of that company including communication and strategy, so I suggest you direct your bile if you must at the appropriate individual. 

I would think that the decision not to give a running commentary on every minutiae of the club is an easy one to make as an owner, if for instance you are going through chemo and/or some other debilitating treatment and catching covid at the same time.

FYI Mel teamed up with Rick Parry and the EFL to support the "Big Picture" initiative (https://talksport.com/football/efl/773110/Derby-owner-mel-morris-defends-efl-rick-parry-project-big-picture/),which would have been as follows;

The Premier League to be reduced from 20 to 18 clubs.

The EFL Cup and the Community Shield to be scrapped.

16th placed Premier League club to join a play-off with Championship teams in third, fourth, and fifth.

Nine Premier League clubs (Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Man United, Man City, Southampton, Tottenham, West Ham) to be given special power over rule changes, broadcasting rights, and even club takeovers.

Creation of a $450 million rescue fund for EFL clubs. 

25% of Premier League annual revenue (instead of just 4%) to go to EFL clubs, and scrapping of parachute payments (money given to clubs when they are relegated).

Which given the comments on this site a lot on here would support, especially the removal of parachute payments and a MUCH bigger share of TV revenues.

You never put facts in your "opinions" just bile and vitriol never anything to back up your opinions.

You mention that "In a UK company the CEO is responsible for the day to day running of all aspects of that company including communication and strategy". As I am sure you aware from your business orientated posts on the forum, the role is not set in stone and varies greatly between different entities depending on the ownership structure, other officers in place and involvement of owners. Although Tyler can on occasion like all of us be a bit Mr Grumpy-Pants (sorry Tyler) I really dont think there was bile and vitriol in his post. There are many factors which have led to our current position financially and with the EFL which have been much discussed (ie to death and back) on here

[RoyMac5]

13 minutes ago, Needlesh said:

Has he? Missed it...could you link to that, please?

Rooney: "It's A Great Opportunity For Myself To Work With The Team - Blog - Derby County (dcfc.co.uk)

[Rev]

It's also worth noting we had a 16 month gap between Sam Rush departing his CEO role, and Steven Pearce becoming the CEO, from May 2018 to August 2019.

During which period, Mel was the de facto CEO and executive Chairman, which is frowned upon in business circles, I'm led to believe.

Thank God that spell didn't lead to any investigations.

 

 

[Gringo]

18 minutes ago, CBRammette said:

You mention that "In a UK company the CEO is responsible for the day to day running of all aspects of that company including communication and strategy". As I am sure you aware from your business orientated posts on the forum, the role is not set in stone and varies greatly between different entities depending on the ownership structure, other officers in place and involvement of owners. Although Tyler can on occasion like all of us be a bit Mr Grumpy-Pants (sorry Tyler) I really dont think there was bile and vitriol in his post. There are many factors which have led to our current position financially and with the EFL which have been much discussed (ie to death and back) on here

I missed the word overall in front of running. 

My post was in support of Mel Morris who according to many document leaks on the internet had very serious health issues over the past 12 months including in one document which was headed as an "offer for sale memorandum"  which contained the statement that he was suffering from cancer earlier last year and undergoing treatment, I therefore get angry and take exception to assertions that he has gone missing has lost interest and is lacking in communication with a very hostile subset of supporters, all of whom appear to pile on without quoting anything other than their opinions which invariably are suppositions about conjecture.

Give the guy a break.

 

Edited July 6, 2021 by Charlotte Ram
Too many long words

[Gringo]

6 minutes ago, Rev said:

It's also worth noting we had a 16 month gap between Sam Rush departing his CEO role, and Steven Pearce becoming the CEO, from May 2018 to August 2019.

During which period, Mel was the de facto CEO and executive Chairman, which is frowned upon in business circles, I'm led to believe.

Thank God that spell didn't lead to any investigations.

 

 

Investigations about what?

[IslandExile]

1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said:

Just with regard to our current state of play 

is anybody else a little more worried today ?

IF there’s a takeover happening … and IF they had money .. and IF our new  reinstated accounts were ok 

why would we be shopping for the likes of stearman and jags.

donr get me wrong I’m not writing anyone off before they’ve even signed or kicked a ball for us 

and I certainly don’t expect fireworks and marquee signings again .. but u know what I mean 

or are we that desperate to get some bodies in 

Exactly this.

It's a clear indication that new ownership isn't imminent, that Mel will spend no more than enough to keep us ticking over, and that we're still going to be under an embargo for the foreseeable future.

When Rooney says he can't yet sign the players he wants, does he mean the likes of Stearman? If not, why even look? Only if he's not confident of things changing anytime soon.

I'd also much rather keep Wisdom and Davies than Stearman and, possibly, Jagielka.

Edited July 6, 2021 by IslandExile

[ariotofmyown]

50 minutes ago, Charlotte Ram said:

Drinking 6 halves in 5 minutes is easier than 3 pints and you are less likely to throw up, (old Derby mile trick)

Funny you say that. A few of us had 6 half pints. Everyone else necked one ever 30 secs. I tried sipping continuously and was the only one sick.

[RoyMac5]

24 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

I'd also much rather keep Wisdom and Davies than Stearman and, possibly, Jagielka.

Wisdom is an ordinary centre half, I'd rather not. The other two I only know Jagielka who has lots of high level experience.

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

34 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

Exactly this.

It's a clear indication that new ownership isn't imminent, that Mel will spend no more than enough to keep us ticking over, and that we're still going to be under an embargo for the foreseeable future.

When Rooney says he can't yet sign the players he wants, does he mean the likes of Stearman? If not, why even look? Only if he's not confident of things changing anytime soon.

I'd also much rather keep Wisdom and Davies than Stearman and, possibly, Jagielka.

His interview about stearman and jagielka seemed to indicate it was those players he wasn't in a position to sign yet unless i misunderstood it 

Edited July 6, 2021 by kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong

[Rev]

53 minutes ago, Charlotte Ram said:

Investigations about what?

Our accounts, and the methods to arrive at the figures for FFP reasons, obviously.

Also, you have absolutely no idea whether the leaked accounts you've read on the internet are factual or not.

I also read the 'leaked' so called memorandum of sale, and it was far below the professional standard of written English you'd expect such a document would be composed of, for a document supposedly drawn up by professional lawyers looking to assist a sale.

I'll quote you now, from an earlier post.

"My post was in support of Mel Morris who according to many document leaks on the internet had very serious health issues over the past 12 months including in one document which was headed as an "offer for sale memorandum" which contained the statement that he was suffering from cancer earlier last year and undergoing treatment, I therefore get angry and take exception to assertions that he has gone missing has lost interest and is lacking in communication with a very hostile subset of supporters, all of whom appear to pile on without quoting anything other than their opinions which invariably are suppositions about conjecture."

You seem to me as guilty as anyone else here of the bolded part of your post, basing your opinion on a 'leaked' internet article.

You then double down on that with the following quote.

 "would think that the decision not to give a running commentary on every minutiae of the club is an easy one to make as an owner, if for instance you are going through chemo and/or some other debilitating treatment and catching covid at the same time."

Who's making suppositions now? 

It's a long way from having a few nasty bumps removed to having cancer and chemo, and I find it pretty distasteful that you feel you can draw such a parallel based on 'leaked' internet documents. 

I'll finish off by saying I wish Mel all the best in the future, and I hope his health is much better than certain others on here speculate.

 

[Gringo]

14 minutes ago, Rev said:

Our accounts, and the methods to arrive at the figures for FFP reasons, obviously.

Also, you have absolutely no idea whether the leaked accounts you've read on the internet are factual or not.

I also read the 'leaked' so called memorandum of sale, and it was far below the professional standard of written English you'd expect such a document would be composed of, for a document supposedly drawn up by professional lawyers looking to assist a sale.

I'll quote you now, from an earlier post.

"My post was in support of Mel Morris who according to many document leaks on the internet had very serious health issues over the past 12 months including in one document which was headed as an "offer for sale memorandum" which contained the statement that he was suffering from cancer earlier last year and undergoing treatment, I therefore get angry and take exception to assertions that he has gone missing has lost interest and is lacking in communication with a very hostile subset of supporters, all of whom appear to pile on without quoting anything other than their opinions which invariably are suppositions about conjecture."

You seem to me as guilty as anyone else here of the bolded part of your post, basing your opinion on a 'leaked' internet article.

You then double down on that with the following quote.

 "would think that the decision not to give a running commentary on every minutiae of the club is an easy one to make as an owner, if for instance you are going through chemo and/or some other debilitating treatment and catching covid at the same time."

Who's making suppositions now? 

It's a long way from having a few nasty bumps removed to having cancer and chemo, and I find it pretty distasteful that you feel you can draw such a parallel based on 'leaked' internet documents. 

I'll finish off by saying I wish Mel all the best in the future, and I hope his health is much better than certain others on here speculate.

 

Regarding Mel and your assertion that he was responsible for the accounts submitted to the EFL, I am sure he would be the first to admit he is not an accountant and that it was a job best left to the CFO at the time Mr Pearce obviously.

Here is what Mel said earlier this year in February " I’ve got a few other health issues as well. I’ve had a few bits chopped off here and there, from my bowel and my back, that haven’t been helpful.’ " so my comments were not supposition but based on a document I thought very credible the selling agent was a French financial house and as such perfect English not likely, and an interview with Mel available in the media.

FWIW  they do not remove part of your bowel unless it is serious and is usually accompanied by Chemo  and I speak from some great experience with a close friend who had such a diagnosis and the chemo associated with this particular disease is very brutal. Also the need to remove part of the bowel would be stage 2 which almost  always is accompanied by Chemo. 

 

 

 

[Jimbo Ram]

1 hour ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

His interview about stearman and jagielka seemed to indicate it was those players he wasn't in a position to sign yet unless i misunderstood it 

Need permission from the EFL perhaps or Mel not keen to cough up the dosh ?

[IslandExile]

2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

Wisdom is an ordinary centre half

Just what we need then since the height of our ambition now is mediocrity.

[Rev]

1 hour ago, Charlotte Ram said:

Regarding Mel and your assertion that he was responsible for the accounts submitted to the EFL, I am sure he would be the first to admit he is not an accountant and that it was a job best left to the CFO at the time Mr Pearce obviously.

Point out where I asserted he was responsible for the accounts submitted. I merely stated he was the acting CEO for that limited period I quoted.

Here is what Mel said earlier this year in February " I’ve got a few other health issues as well. I’ve had a few bits chopped off here and there, from my bowel and my back, that haven’t been helpful.’ " so my comments were not supposition but based on a document I thought very credible the selling agent was a French financial house and as such perfect English not likely, and an interview with Mel available in the media.

Why on earth would we use a French financial house to sell a club in the English second division, being offered for sale by a local born businessman?

FWIW  they do not remove part of your bowel unless it is serious and is usually accompanied by Chemo  and I speak from some great experience with a close friend who had such a diagnosis and the chemo associated with this particular disease is very brutal. Also the need to remove part of the bowel would be stage 2 which almost  always is accompanied by Chemo. 

Again, presumption on your part.

I had surgery not long back to remove a growth from my testicles, but It wasn't cancer and I didn't need chemo.

I also know of someone who had bowel surgery due to severe Crohns disease, again not cancer and not needing chemo, and another who had a hernia requiring similar surgery.

 

 

 

 

[CBRammette]

3 hours ago, Charlotte Ram said:

I missed the word overall in front of running. 

My post was in support of Mel Morris who according to many document leaks on the internet had very serious health issues over the past 12 months including in one document which was headed as an "offer for sale memorandum"  which contained the statement that he was suffering from cancer earlier last year and undergoing treatment, I therefore get angry and take exception to assertions that he has gone missing has lost interest and is lacking in communication with a very hostile subset of supporters, all of whom appear to pile on without quoting anything other than their opinions which invariably are suppositions about conjecture.

Give the guy a break.

 

Charlotte Ram, I am not hostile to Mel, let alone a member of very hostile subset, and so should be very grateful if you would please not quote my post saying to give the guy a break as if I havent.  I just thought your comment was a unfair in this case. Many thanks

[Gringo]

1 hour ago, Rev said:

 

Ok I am losing the will to live here, so to end the matter from my side here is my summary of your comments,

• Mel was lucky not to be investigated for the accounts submitted to the EFL
• The sale memorandum was a forgery whereby they even managed to forge the watermark on the paper, the copy I saw looked very genuine indeed, and the company involved checked out as having a website and credibility, how would you advertise a football cub is for sale to a worldwide market, EBay or the Derby Trader? The financial deal maker would be part of a  worldwide network of m&a companies specialising in the sale of private companies.
• You are a medical genius and having part of your bowel removed is not symptomatic of any serious condition, even though there have been many comments on the radio and by Stephen Pearce that Mel had been and was very seriously ill.

My assertion is that the facts as known do not fit your narrative.

 

[ColonelBlimp]

Stearman and Jagielka might be training with the club, they might even sign up as squad players, who knows. There's no transfer fee and they're not going to demand massive wages are they at their ages? If they did, we wouldn't be able to sign them anyway.

But, you know, we need bodies in the CB position. We also need experience in the CB position. 

Who better than Stearman, Jagielka and Davies to teach our U23 CB's about that position? 

[richinspain]

11 hours ago, NottsRam77 said:

A chairman letting a manager manage ??

isn’t that what’s supposed to happen ?

I know what ur getting at but I don’t think we can have a go at Mel for backing his managers .. he trusted their judgment with his money 

he just put his faith in the wrong people sadly 

I think you've misunderstood me. I was saying that he did let managers manage, unless the original comment was about the dressing room incident? I can't think of any other occasion where Mel publicly interfered with the manager 

*just putting this in before someone else does